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Re: charging the ac -
04-02-2006
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For which an impertinent question might be: How is it that all of the CFC manages to make it to the ozone layer, but none of the far larger output of ozone from pollution manages to make it there to resolve the issue? |
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If you guys aren't careful Lloyd Parker is going to show up again. "Lon" <lon.stowell (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:_I2dnSGF_9flma3ZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... For which an impertinent question might be: How is it that all of the CFC manages to make it to the ozone layer, but none of the far larger output of ozone from pollution manages to make it there to resolve the issue? |
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Scott in Baltimore proclaimed: billy ray wrote: No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or caves. The environmental terrorist wackos protested this move because they wanted R-152 which is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an accident. And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone. For which an impertinent question might be: How is it that all of the CFC manages to make it to the ozone layer, but none of the far larger output of ozone from pollution manages to make it there to resolve the issue? |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray" billy_ray (AT) fuseSPAM (DOT) net> wrote: No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or caves. The environmental terrorist wackos protested this move because they wanted R-152 which is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an accident. snip |
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R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152 acccumulates. R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers, connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced fuel consumption. As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds. -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth |
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As I mentioned R-152 is flammable and R744 is poisonous...If either vents to your passenger compartment it can lead to a horrible death from burning or suffocation. Carbon Dioxide only requires 2% concentration to be fatal. Loss of self-awareness, concentration, loss of reasoning, lengthening of reaction times occur at lower concentrations. If you breath in flaming gas it only takes one breath to sear your lungs which will lead to a quick but painful death. Skin and tissue burns lead to a slower painful death. "reboot" <reboot (AT) nothere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:alc032lmm4j2s3m0rilb5falqh9jur967s (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:33:51 -0400, "billy ray" billy_ray (AT) fuseSPAM (DOT) net> wrote: No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or caves. The environmental terrorist wackos protested this move because they wanted R-152 which is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an accident. snip snip R-152 is flammable but has fluid properties similar to R-12 which is why some were promoting it as a replacement for service. OEMs have rejected this because of the hazard of explosion in the cabin of a closed car if a leak occurs in an evaporator and the R-152 acccumulates. R-744 is also known as Carbon Dioxide, it is only poisonous in higher concentrations. It is not considered a greenhouse gas even though it has a greenhouse potential... because it is a naturally occurring substance. The operating pressures are much (10x and more) higher than R-134a which will drive a complete investent cycle in the production and service sectors (compressors, heat exchangers, connecting lines, controls, service equipment etc.). So far the COP of these systems is slightly better than R-134a leading to reduced fuel consumption. As far as following service procedures... come on, be responsible - or do you still dump drain oil in the back yard to kill the weeds. -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth |
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I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use propane. It has the advantages of economy and availability, plus it is friendlier to the environment than those nasty CFCs. |
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billy ray wrote: No, we did it because some panty-waste tree hugging bureaucrat wants everyone, except his privileged cadre, to revert to living in grass huts or caves. The environmental terrorist wackos protested this move because they wanted R-152 which is flammable or R-744 which is a poisonous greenhouse gas. Their rationale was if you wanted air conditioning you had to be prepared and willing to die a horrible death if you did not maintain the system or were involved in an accident. And all these years I thought it was because of Dupont, the reefer madness people, created a molecule that was extremely stable. It was so stable, it remained in the upper atmosphere for a long time, killing all the ozone. |
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I have heard from reliable sources that there are people who use propane. |
reasons, but its still an excellent refrigerant.
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If you guys aren't careful Lloyd Parker is going to show up again. |
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Actually, while I am not a believer in conspiracy theories it's awfully funny that all the fuss that lead to R12 being banned started about the same time the patent wore expired... |
refrigerant to become restricted is.
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