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Default HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEEL BEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-21-2005 , 08:19 PM






IN OCTOBER WILL MARK 2 YEARS SINCE I PURCHASED THE JEEP FROM HELL.
NEEDLESS TO SAY IT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS UNDERTAKING. I BOUGHT IT
THINKING THAT I COULD RESTORE IT AND SINCE IT ALREADY HAD THE LIFT,
33X15.50X15 SWAMPER TSL/SX TIRES AND NEW AQUAMAX TRAIL SEATS AND CUSTOM
DASH WITH AUTOMETER GUAGESI FIGURED I HAD SOMETHING TO START WITH. WHEN
I STARTED WORKING ON THIS JEEP, NOTHING WORKED. ABOUT THE ONLY THINGS I
HAVENT CHANGED ARE THE PARTS I JUST MENTIONED, HELL, I EVEN HAD TO
REPLACE TO GUAGES, TWO FUEL SENDING UNITS(NO GAS READING),(NO TRIP) A
SPEDOMETER GEARIN THE TRANSFER CASE TO BRING THE MILES UP FROM ZERO,
AND THE WATER TEMP GUAGE. PLUS I GAVE THE GUY A POS 85 NISSAN DATSUN
WITH 280K AND IT WASNT MY PROUDEST MOMENT IN AUTOMOTIVE HISTORY. I SAW
THE JEEP AND GAVE THE GUY ALL OF MY HARD EARNED CASH, 2000+ THE
TRUCK(700.00) PLUS THE AGREEMENT TO PAY HIM 500 MORE. EVERY TIME I
DROVE IT SOMETHING ELSE BROKE. IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO PAY HIM BACK. I
DONT EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH I HAVE IN THIS BEAST. WHEN I STARTEDI WAS THE
SHOPS BIT@#, NOW 1000 PARTS LATER I AM A DECENT MECHANIC. BUT i AM AT
THE END OF MY ROPE WITH THIS CJ AND I AM NOWHERE NEAR RESTORED. AFTER
ONE PIECE AT A TIME REPLACING NUMEROUS PARTS IN MY FRONT END I STILL
DONT FEEL SAFE ENOUGH TO LET ANYONE ELSE DRIVE IT, NOW THAT I BOUGHT AN
XJ I FEEL SAFER LEAVING MY CJ PARKED INCASE I WIN THE LOTTERY, IN WHICH
CASE I WILL JUST ORDER EVERY PART NEW FROM THE CATALOG THAT I CAN THINK
OF.
I STARTED WITH A SET OF POLYURETHANE BUSHINGS FOR THE SHAKLES WHICH ARE
HEAVY DUTY AND LARGER THAN STOCK. THIS HELPED ABOUT 5% OF MY PROBLEM.
THEN I PUT THE BUSHING ON MY STEERING SHAFT. I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SPIT
INTO THE WIND.
I TIGHTENED THE WHEEL BEARINGS, THIS HELPED
I TOOK IT IN FOR A MUFFLER AND THE GUY TELLS ME MY WORM GEAR IS WORN
OUT IN MY STEERING BOX. I HAD JUST REPLACED MY TIE RODS, DRAG LINK AND
MY BALL JOINTS WERE GOOD, BUT IM STILL LOOSE. SO
I GET A NEW BOX, STILL LOOSE. THEN THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTHERN MUDDERS
TELLS ME THAT MY STEERING GEOMETRY IS ALL OUT OF WHACK. SO I DRIVE THE
THINK LIKE IM IN WORLD WAR TWO, BUT I DONT CARE, CUZ IF IT BREAKS, THEN
AT LEAST I KNOW "THATS WHAT I KNOW I NEED TO FIX" INSTEAD OF WHATS THAT
NOISE?" I GET A DROP PIT MAN ARM, STILL, HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. I AM
DRIVING IT LIKE MACGYVER AND TRYING TO KEEP THIS THING ON THE ROAD. I
LOST MY CARBUERATOR BECAUSE THE SCREWS VIBRATED OUT, SO I HAD TO RIG
SOME SORT OF BRAKE HOLD DOWN PIN FASTENING SYSTEM. HALF WAY BETWEEN
SOUTH CAROLINA AND MIAMI. NOW IM IN MIAMI AND IM STUCK HERE. I HAVE A
XJ THAT NEEDS WORK, AND A CJ THAT NEEDS A BULLET, BUT I JUST CANT BRING
MYSELF TO ADMIT IT. I ALMOST LOST MY STEERING BOX, SO I PUT A BIG DADDY
OFF ROAD STEERING BRACE. NO MORE F'ING AROUND, IM BUILDING THIS RIG TWO
WITHSTAND A NUCLEAR ATTACK.
SO I PUT ALL OF THIS AND IM STILL DANCING, BUT ITS ALOT BETTER. THE
STEERING WHEEL IS TIGHT FOR THE MOST PART, BUT THE SHACKLES ARE LOOSE
AGAIN. PLUS MY REAR SPRING PERCH WAS BROKEN. PROBABLY NOT GOOD SO
FEARING FOR MY LIFE I TAKE IT THE GUY WITH A WELDER AND WE PUT IT BACK
TOGETHER LIKE HUMPTY DUMPTY. I DONT KNOWIF MY TIRES ARE SEPARATED OR MY
RIMS ARE BENT OR IS THE ABSENCE OF A STEERING STABILIZER REALLY CAUSING
ME THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE. I HIT A BUMP AND I HOLD ON, THE POWER
STEERING WASNT EVEN HOOKED UP WHEN I FIRST GOT THE DAMN THING SO MY
ARMS ARE PRETTY STRONG. THE STABILIZERS WERE JUST WRONG, I MEAN WITH
THE LIFT, THE NORMAL PITMAN ARM,THE DRAG LINK AT A 50 DEGREE ANGLE, IT
LOOKED LIKE A FIVE YEAR OLD WITH AN ETCH-A-SKETCH DESIGNED IT.
I JUST LOST MY TRANSFER CASE, NO MOW IM STUCK IN 2WD. I CANT EVEN GO
OFF ROAD. I NEED NEW TIRES. MY WINDSHIELD IS BUSTED. MY EXHAUST LEAK IS
GETTING WORSE BUT IM WAITING FOR MY DOUBLE BARREL INTAKE AND HEADERS
BEFORE I YANK IT ALLOUT OF THERE AND PUT MY NEW GASKETS IN THERE.
ASWELL AS A DOUBLE BARREL CARB. THE BOTER IS CLACKING THEN IT STOPS, MY
CLUTCH ROD IS WELDED SO THERE IS NO MORE ROOM FOR ADJUSTMENT, IF I FIND
THE SOB THAT SOLD ME THIS FRANKENSTIEN CONTRAPTION( DONT EVEN MENTION
THE ELECTRICAL OR THE MISMATCHED TAILLIGHTS POOORLY WELDED FLOOR PANS
OR THE WELDED SHUT WINDOW FRAME. THE HARD TOP I JUST TOOK OFF AS WELL
AS THE DOORS BECASUSE THEY DIDNT REALLY KEEP OOUT THE ELEMENTS AND THEY
NEEDED MORE WORK THAN MY JEEP. I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO REALLY ASK,
THIS IS GOOD THERAPY FOR ME TO GET ALL OF THIS OUT,I DONT EXPECT THAT
ANYONE REALLY EVEN READS ALL THIS CRAP, BUT HEY, WHAT THE HELL HAVE I
GOT TO LOSE. THIS JEEP HAS MORE ISSUES THAN JIMMY CARTER HAD PILLS.
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF A DANA 20 WILLMATE TO A T150? AREANY PARTS FROM A
92 CHEROKEE GOOD FOR ANYTHING ON A 76 CJ, INLINE 6 (CANT TELL IF ITS A
232 OR 258-BUT I SAY 258 JUST BECAUSE I FEEL BETTER ABOUT SAYING ITS
BIGGER. MAYBE IM CLOSER THAN I THINK TO GETTING THIS JEEP CLOSE TO
WHERE ITS CONSIDERED DONE. A BRAKE PROB VALVE, A WINDSHIELD AND FRAME,
SOME WELDING, NEW STEERING STABILIZER, REVERSE SHACLE KIT AND NEW
BUSHINGS, A T15 TRANNY AND WIDE TRACK AXLES, INTAKE HEADER AND DOUBLE
BARREL CARB, A PAINTJOB, NEW TIRES AND OR POSSIBLY RIMS,MAYBE JUST
STEAL A DODGE RAM AND TAKE HIS HEMI AND DRIVE TRAIN(JUST A THOUGHT)
DROP IN RUBBER LINER, STEEL HALF DOORS AND A NICE BLACK SOFT TOP, A
STEREO ONCEI HAVE FIXED ALL OF THE NOISES, MAYBE A CENTER CONSOLE, AND
HELL WHILE IM AT IT A BEAUTIFULL WIFE AND A WHITE PICKET FENCE
i LOVE THIS TRUCK BUT ITS BEEN A TREASURE HUNT. I CANT GIVE UP ON IT,
BUT I JUST AM RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS. AND MONEY. AND TIME. ANY HELP WITH
THE SHACLES, I THINK MAYBE MY U BOLTS ARE DONE, THEY WERE SEIZED
SHUTAND FELT LIKE THEY WERE AT THE POINT OF BREAKING. MY DRUMS ARE ALL
NEW, SO THEY DONT REALLY CHATTER, HELL, ONCE I GET THAT PROP VALVE
FIXED IT WILL ACTUALLY STOP FRETTY DAMN GOOD.
I WILL WRITE THE SEQUEL TO THIS NOVELIF ANYONE CARES TO RESPOND OR IS
STILL AWAKE AT THIS POINT,THANKS FOR READING.


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DougW
 
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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEEL BEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-21-2005 , 08:43 PM






OldARMYJEEP (AT) gmail (DOT) com did pass the time by typing:

nope, capslock still broke.

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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEEL BEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-22-2005 , 09:25 AM



Seriously, does anyone know why it is so hard to read a post in all caps? I
get dizzy trying.

I think this guy has a bad front end, but I couldn't finish reading his
post.

"DougW" <post.replies (AT) invalid (DOT) address> wrote

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OldARMYJEEP (AT) gmail (DOT) com did pass the time by typing:

nope, capslock still broke.

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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEELBEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-22-2005 , 10:58 AM



I gave up too, got an eye ache somewhere in there....

I 'think' he has some kind of massive shackle lift and no steering
stabilizer with the death wobble bad enough to tear off steering boxes
and can't understand why it all keeps falling apart. LOL!

Not 100% sure though....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Steve Foley wrote:
Quote:
Seriously, does anyone know why it is so hard to read a post in all caps? I
get dizzy trying.

I think this guy has a bad front end, but I couldn't finish reading his
post.

"DougW" <post.replies (AT) invalid (DOT) address> wrote in message
news:fNX9e.19710$up2.7975 (AT) okepread01 (DOT) ..
OldARMYJEEP (AT) gmail (DOT) com did pass the time by typing:

nope, capslock still broke.

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DougW



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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEEL BEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-22-2005 , 08:41 PM



My jeep came with some heavy duty shackles about 4" tall, and the
springs might give a couple inches of lift. The dual Ranch Steering
stablilizer wasnt doing the trick, in fact it caused the drag link to
buck back and forth when i hit a bump so i removed it. The steering box
is securely fastened with a BIG DADDY OFF ROAD steering brace, with a
3/4 bolt going thru the frame. Losing the box is the least of my
worries, but the factory brace ALMOST CAME OFF FROM THE DEATH WOBBLE. I
dont like my front end doing the salsa when it comes to my jeep. One
piece at a time it is coming along.

"WE CAN REBUILD HIM, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY- MONEY..... NOW THATS
ANOTHER STORY!"


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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEELBEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-22-2005 , 09:56 PM



You just need to get a steering stabilizer in there then. On a CJ they
go on the tie rod and bolt to the axle tube. You can't drive a CJ
without one.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

OldARMYJEEP (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
Quote:
My jeep came with some heavy duty shackles about 4" tall, and the
springs might give a couple inches of lift. The dual Ranch Steering
stablilizer wasnt doing the trick, in fact it caused the drag link to
buck back and forth when i hit a bump so i removed it. The steering box
is securely fastened with a BIG DADDY OFF ROAD steering brace, with a
3/4 bolt going thru the frame. Losing the box is the least of my
worries, but the factory brace ALMOST CAME OFF FROM THE DEATH WOBBLE. I
dont like my front end doing the salsa when it comes to my jeep. One
piece at a time it is coming along.

"WE CAN REBUILD HIM, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY- MONEY..... NOW THATS
ANOTHER STORY!"

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Dave Milne
 
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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEEL BEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-23-2005 , 10:01 AM



Seriously, its probably just lack of practice :-)


Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Steve Foley" <steve.foley (AT) DELETE (DOT) att.net> wrote

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Seriously, does anyone know why it is so hard to read a post in all caps?
I
get dizzy trying.



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Tom Greening
 
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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEEL BEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-23-2005 , 11:14 AM



I'd have to differ on that. My 83 CJ7 is my daily driver and I'm running
37": MTRs SOA with no stabilizer at all and I have NO wobble problems of any
sort.


"Mike Romain" <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote

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You just need to get a steering stabilizer in there then. On a CJ they
go on the tie rod and bolt to the axle tube. You can't drive a CJ
without one.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's




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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEELBEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-23-2005 , 11:23 AM



Then you have the alignment off or have 'perfect' tires and components
with no wear yet.

Driving like that is suicide up here in slush country, we get the death
wobble from slush or snow sticking to rims and that is with 'good'
stabilizers.

Mike

Tom Greening wrote:
Quote:
I'd have to differ on that. My 83 CJ7 is my daily driver and I'm running
37": MTRs SOA with no stabilizer at all and I have NO wobble problems of any
sort.

"Mike Romain" <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote in message
news:4269AB34.31185D63 (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca...
You just need to get a steering stabilizer in there then. On a CJ they
go on the tie rod and bolt to the axle tube. You can't drive a CJ
without one.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


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Default Re: HOW TO TIGHTEN UP MY CJ FRONT END. TIE ROD, BRACE BOX, WHEELBEARINGS, STILL A DANCER - 04-23-2005 , 11:29 AM



Tom,
That's because you welded the new spring perches in at least five
degrees castor. Now many steering boxes have you replaced, or are you
poser? Of course, you know all the new Daimler four wheel drives
products use a damper.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

Tom Greening wrote:
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I'd have to differ on that. My 83 CJ7 is my daily driver and I'm running
37": MTRs SOA with no stabilizer at all and I have NO wobble problems of any
sort.

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