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Eric
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 12:30 AM






All I know is I asked the guy at the parts counter for the champion truck
plug and he gave it to me. What was I supposed to get?

And I did gap them to .035. At least that's what the little feeler guage
said!

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
What did you gap them to? .035 is what they're supposed to be set at.
Are
you absolutely 100% sure you got the right Champion Truck plug???

Jerry
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"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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As I stated in another post, I've just installed new plugs. I bought
the
Champion Truck plugs based on recommendations on this group and others.
Now, however, I seem to get a lot of knocking when I don't give it quite
enough gas coming off a dead stop. Usually this is most noticeable when
I'm
stopped on a hill. I didn't have this problem with the old plugs. Any
thoughts?

I always run 87 octane gas, if that makes a difference.

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Jerry Bransford
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 12:53 AM






Eric, I would grab one of the boxes the plug came in and call a different
auto parts store for what model number Champion Truck plug they say is
correct for your Jeep and compare that to the part number on the box in your
hand. I used to run Truck plugs but I don't remember the model number or
I'd give it to you. Hey, it wouldn't be the first or last time an auto
parts store guy gave someone the wrong parts. Anything else changed besides
the plugs?

Jerry
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"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
All I know is I asked the guy at the parts counter for the champion truck
plug and he gave it to me. What was I supposed to get?

And I did gap them to .035. At least that's what the little feeler guage
said!

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:KRGWa.394$2g.126 (AT) fed1read05 (DOT) ..
What did you gap them to? .035 is what they're supposed to be set at.
Are
you absolutely 100% sure you got the right Champion Truck plug???

Jerry
--
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KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
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"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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As I stated in another post, I've just installed new plugs. I bought
the
Champion Truck plugs based on recommendations on this group and
others.
Now, however, I seem to get a lot of knocking when I don't give it
quite
enough gas coming off a dead stop. Usually this is most noticeable
when
I'm
stopped on a hill. I didn't have this problem with the old plugs.
Any
thoughts?

I always run 87 octane gas, if that makes a difference.

99 TJ SE
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Eric
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 01:02 AM



I'll call tomorrow. Nothing else changed, though.

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Eric, I would grab one of the boxes the plug came in and call a different
auto parts store for what model number Champion Truck plug they say is
correct for your Jeep and compare that to the part number on the box in
your
hand. I used to run Truck plugs but I don't remember the model number or
I'd give it to you. Hey, it wouldn't be the first or last time an auto
parts store guy gave someone the wrong parts. Anything else changed
besides
the plugs?

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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All I know is I asked the guy at the parts counter for the champion
truck
plug and he gave it to me. What was I supposed to get?

And I did gap them to .035. At least that's what the little feeler
guage
said!

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:KRGWa.394$2g.126 (AT) fed1read05 (DOT) ..
What did you gap them to? .035 is what they're supposed to be set at.
Are
you absolutely 100% sure you got the right Champion Truck plug???

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:LLGWa.205558$o86.132823 (AT) news1 (DOT) central.cox.net...
As I stated in another post, I've just installed new plugs. I
bought
the
Champion Truck plugs based on recommendations on this group and
others.
Now, however, I seem to get a lot of knocking when I don't give it
quite
enough gas coming off a dead stop. Usually this is most noticeable
when
I'm
stopped on a hill. I didn't have this problem with the old plugs.
Any
thoughts?

I always run 87 octane gas, if that makes a difference.

99 TJ SE
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John Mooney
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 03:07 AM



I'm running Champion 4412 truck plugs in my XJ's with no problems.


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Eric, I would grab one of the boxes the plug came in and call a different
auto parts store for what model number Champion Truck plug they say is
correct for your Jeep and compare that to the part number on the box in
your
hand. I used to run Truck plugs but I don't remember the model number or
I'd give it to you. Hey, it wouldn't be the first or last time an auto
parts store guy gave someone the wrong parts. Anything else changed
besides
the plugs?

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news7HWa.205790$o86.165740 (AT) news1 (DOT) central.cox.net...
All I know is I asked the guy at the parts counter for the champion
truck
plug and he gave it to me. What was I supposed to get?

And I did gap them to .035. At least that's what the little feeler
guage
said!

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:KRGWa.394$2g.126 (AT) fed1read05 (DOT) ..
What did you gap them to? .035 is what they're supposed to be set at.
Are
you absolutely 100% sure you got the right Champion Truck plug???

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:LLGWa.205558$o86.132823 (AT) news1 (DOT) central.cox.net...
As I stated in another post, I've just installed new plugs. I
bought
the
Champion Truck plugs based on recommendations on this group and
others.
Now, however, I seem to get a lot of knocking when I don't give it
quite
enough gas coming off a dead stop. Usually this is most noticeable
when
I'm
stopped on a hill. I didn't have this problem with the old plugs.
Any
thoughts?

I always run 87 octane gas, if that makes a difference.

99 TJ SE
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L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 03:41 AM



Hi Eric,
Pull a plug to read it, make sure it's a light tan, rather than
what I think it's white hot and much hotter than the regular very cold
twelve nomenclature, if so it could melt holes in your pistons. Always
figure noise equals damage.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

Eric wrote:
Quote:
I'll call tomorrow. Nothing else changed, though.

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mabar
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 08:28 AM



Hi Peter:

Here is an explanation of all the Champion plugs:

http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/con...al_application

Tom

"Peter Parker" <nospam (AT) zero (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
In article <KRGWa.394$2g.126@fed1read05>,
Jerry Bransford top posted and <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
What did you gap them to? .035 is what they're supposed to be set at.
Are
you absolutely 100% sure you got the right Champion Truck plug???

I recently replaced my plugs but did not opt for the truck plug. I would
like to know what the difference is between the Champion RC12LYC and the
truck plug. The RC12LYCs came pre-gapped .035". I don't have any
knocking issues, 4.0L w/ 189600 miles.


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Eric
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 01:56 PM



I haven't even put 50 miles on these plugs. Would the color be there
already? I called a different parts store today and the part number is good
to go.

Eric
"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hi Eric,
Pull a plug to read it, make sure it's a light tan, rather than
what I think it's white hot and much hotter than the regular very cold
twelve nomenclature, if so it could melt holes in your pistons. Always
figure noise equals damage.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

Eric wrote:

I'll call tomorrow. Nothing else changed, though.



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Jerry Bransford
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 02:00 PM



Eric, how about the wiring to the plugs? Could one be not pushed onto the
plug or into the distributor cap all the way?

--
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KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
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http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
I haven't even put 50 miles on these plugs. Would the color be there
already? I called a different parts store today and the part number is
good
to go.

Eric
"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:3F2B6AA4.932AD533 (AT) cox (DOT) net...
Hi Eric,
Pull a plug to read it, make sure it's a light tan, rather than
what I think it's white hot and much hotter than the regular very cold
twelve nomenclature, if so it could melt holes in your pistons. Always
figure noise equals damage.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

Eric wrote:

I'll call tomorrow. Nothing else changed, though.





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Eric
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 04:44 PM



I can double check it. But the problem isn't very persistent. It seems to
only happen when the engine is under a load. I noticed today (and maybe
this is out of paranoia) that there sounds like some vavle rattle when going
up a hill if the engine has to work (i.e. I don't downshift). Now, I know
that is normal, but I don't recall it happening before the plug change.

The only other wiring issue is the wire to the plug at the very front (can't
remember cylinder number). When I pulled it out (using a wire puller), the
metal sleeve stuck to the old plug. I got it off and shoved it back into
the boot. I suppose that could be the problem... I don't know. I would
think if that were the case, I would be idling rough and having this problem
more frequently.

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Eric, how about the wiring to the plugs? Could one be not pushed onto the
plug or into the distributor cap all the way?

--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I haven't even put 50 miles on these plugs. Would the color be there
already? I called a different parts store today and the part number is
good
to go.

Eric
"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:3F2B6AA4.932AD533 (AT) cox (DOT) net...
Hi Eric,
Pull a plug to read it, make sure it's a light tan, rather than
what I think it's white hot and much hotter than the regular very cold
twelve nomenclature, if so it could melt holes in your pistons. Always
figure noise equals damage.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

Eric wrote:

I'll call tomorrow. Nothing else changed, though.







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Eric
 
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Default Re: Champion Plugs and knocking - 08-02-2003 , 04:45 PM



That's what these are -- 4412 truck plugs.

Eric
"John Mooney" <jamooney44 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
I'm running Champion 4412 truck plugs in my XJ's with no problems.


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:3tHWa.398$2g.194 (AT) fed1read05 (DOT) ..
Eric, I would grab one of the boxes the plug came in and call a
different
auto parts store for what model number Champion Truck plug they say is
correct for your Jeep and compare that to the part number on the box in
your
hand. I used to run Truck plugs but I don't remember the model number
or
I'd give it to you. Hey, it wouldn't be the first or last time an auto
parts store guy gave someone the wrong parts. Anything else changed
besides
the plugs?

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news7HWa.205790$o86.165740 (AT) news1 (DOT) central.cox.net...
All I know is I asked the guy at the parts counter for the champion
truck
plug and he gave it to me. What was I supposed to get?

And I did gap them to .035. At least that's what the little feeler
guage
said!

Eric
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:KRGWa.394$2g.126 (AT) fed1read05 (DOT) ..
What did you gap them to? .035 is what they're supposed to be set
at.
Are
you absolutely 100% sure you got the right Champion Truck plug???

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"Eric" <gymrat (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:LLGWa.205558$o86.132823 (AT) news1 (DOT) central.cox.net...
As I stated in another post, I've just installed new plugs. I
bought
the
Champion Truck plugs based on recommendations on this group and
others.
Now, however, I seem to get a lot of knocking when I don't give it
quite
enough gas coming off a dead stop. Usually this is most
noticeable
when
I'm
stopped on a hill. I didn't have this problem with the old plugs.
Any
thoughts?

I always run 87 octane gas, if that makes a difference.

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