81 CJ 258 starting problem

Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
hell was that???????

Greg wrote:

Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
hell was that???????

That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
about the starter's brushes?

If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:36:07 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca>
wrote:

Greg wrote:
Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out of
garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery was
gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year, everyone
said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all ready
to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make sure,
it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced the
solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key to
on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me to
put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today
when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!,
so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the
hell was that???????



That can happen with a bad connection arc raising the temp or pulling
too many amps. The bad connection causes too many amps to go through
the cable which can arc the solenoid plate inside.

I take it you've never heard of ohm's law. Higher resistance doesn't
increase current flow.

How is the cable to the starter and the connection on the starter? What
about the starter's brushes?

If I remember right, a low battery makes the above effect happen easier.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

At some time in your battery because disconnect while the engine was
running and popped the alternator diode in that instant. The battery is now
discharging into that trigger wire powering your ignition switch from the
off side. On cars with an idiot light, that light will be burning while the
ignition switch is off, and the battery is being discharged.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/


"Greg" <greglc84 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it
the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of
garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured battery
was
gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last year,
everyone
said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the year. I was all
ready
to go get new battery and figured I would put the meter on it to make
sure,
it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged bat. to me, so I replaced
the
solinoid, thinking that was it. On first start up, when I turned the key
to
on there was a buzzing for about 10 seconds, about as long as it took me
to
put gas to floor twice to choke it, anyway started fine, drove it up and
down road, and parked in driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine.
Today
when I went to start it, it went click, click, click, then started, but
started didn't stop starting, I turned the key to off, still running and
starter still starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to
her!!,
so I stick it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter,
so I move the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what
the
hell was that???????

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bllsht wrote:

I take it you've never heard of ohm's law. Higher resistance doesn't
increase current flow.

Unless you've designed switches, you probably don't know much about closure
rate and contact pressure to minimize arc-over, either. Slow or soft
closure allows momentary arcing which is a great way to weld contacts.
Hard closure also helps overcome the oxidation layer that forms almost
instantly on most pure metals like the copper used in those starter relays.
All that is an effect of high resistance restricting the current through
the solenoid coil which gives you a weak closure.

--
Will Honea
whonea (AT) yahoo (DOT) com

But a low amperage will melt a starter and often the cables and solenoid
going it, usually not allowing us to shut off the starting motor until the
battery is completely dead.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/


"bllsht" <nospam (AT) dot (DOT) net> wrote

I take it you've never heard of ohm's law. Higher resistance doesn't
increase current flow.

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I read the rest of the replies, mostly argueing about resistence, anyway
Mike I cleaned all connections on bat. solinoid, and alt. only one I didn't
clean was one down at starter, and starter and bat cables are about a year
old.
Bill mentioned at some point bat. was disconnected while running, that
didn't happen, but when I thought the bat. was dead the other day I used my
battery charger which has a setting for 70 amps to start a vehicle, which I
used and it arced when disconncting it. I replaced everything on engine when
I put a rebuilt in 1 1/2 years ago, all but alt. Am I now ready for that?


"Greg" <greglc84 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured
battery was gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last
year, everyone said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the
year. I was all ready to go get new battery and figured I would put the
meter on it to make sure, it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged
bat. to me, so I replaced the solinoid, thinking that was it. On first
start up, when I turned the key to on there was a buzzing for about 10
seconds, about as long as it took me to put gas to floor twice to choke
it, anyway started fine, drove it up and down road, and parked in
driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today when I went to start
it, it went click, click, click, then started, but started didn't stop
starting, I turned the key to off, still running and starter still
starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!, so I stick
it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter, so I move
the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the hell was
that???????

You need to pull the starter.

You might be able to fix the trouble and put the starter back in, or you
might need to buy a new one. In any case, my money is on a starter problem.



"Greg" <greglc84 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured
battery was gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last
year, everyone said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the
year. I was all ready to go get new battery and figured I would put the
meter on it to make sure, it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged
bat. to me, so I replaced the solinoid, thinking that was it. On first
start up, when I turned the key to on there was a buzzing for about 10
seconds, about as long as it took me to put gas to floor twice to choke
it, anyway started fine, drove it up and down road, and parked in
driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today when I went to start
it, it went click, click, click, then started, but started didn't stop
starting, I turned the key to off, still running and starter still
starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!, so I stick
it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter, so I move
the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the hell was
that???????

"Greg" <greglc84 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

I read the rest of the replies, mostly argueing about resistence, anyway
Mike I cleaned all connections on bat. solinoid, and alt. only one I
didn't clean was one down at starter, and starter and bat cables are about
a year old.
Bill mentioned at some point bat. was disconnected while running, that
didn't happen, but when I thought the bat. was dead the other day I used
my battery charger which has a setting for 70 amps to start a vehicle,
which I used and it arced when disconncting it. I replaced everything on
engine when I put a rebuilt in 1 1/2 years ago, all but alt. Am I now
ready for that?

First start with a known good battery. A fully charged battery should read
around 12.65 volts. The voltage reading you got when ckecking your battery,
11.96, indicates a battery that is 80% DISCHARGED.

"Greg" <greglc84 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4DjPh.2163$DE1.150 (AT) pd7urf2no (DOT) ..
Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it
the other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it
out of garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured
battery was gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last
year, everyone said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the
year. I was all ready to go get new battery and figured I would put the
meter on it to make sure, it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged
bat. to me, so I replaced the solinoid, thinking that was it. On first
start up, when I turned the key to on there was a buzzing for about 10
seconds, about as long as it took me to put gas to floor twice to choke
it, anyway started fine, drove it up and down road, and parked in
driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today when I went to start
it, it went click, click, click, then started, but started didn't stop
starting, I turned the key to off, still running and starter still
starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!, so I stick
it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter, so I move
the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the hell
was that???????

If the connection down at the starter is bad enough to cause that, then
the cable should get hot. I would try it a few times to see.

Other than that, the low battery might be the only issue. When the
starter draws on the low battery arcs can seem to happen for whatever
reason.....
;-)

Mike

Greg wrote:

I read the rest of the replies, mostly argueing about resistence, anyway
Mike I cleaned all connections on bat. solinoid, and alt. only one I didn't
clean was one down at starter, and starter and bat cables are about a year
old.
Bill mentioned at some point bat. was disconnected while running, that
didn't happen, but when I thought the bat. was dead the other day I used my
battery charger which has a setting for 70 amps to start a vehicle, which I
used and it arced when disconncting it. I replaced everything on engine when
I put a rebuilt in 1 1/2 years ago, all but alt. Am I now ready for that?


"Greg" <greglc84 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4DjPh.2163$DE1.150 (AT) pd7urf2no (DOT) ..
Here's the story, jeep hasn't ran for couple months, went to start it the
other day to move it out of garage, it was dead, jumped it, moved it out
of garage, tried starting again, just click click, click, I figured
battery was gone as this is the same one I left lights on for a week last
year, everyone said wouldn't come back, but it did, been fine for the
year. I was all ready to go get new battery and figured I would put the
meter on it to make sure, it was 11.96, that sounds like a fully charged
bat. to me, so I replaced the solinoid, thinking that was it. On first
start up, when I turned the key to on there was a buzzing for about 10
seconds, about as long as it took me to put gas to floor twice to choke
it, anyway started fine, drove it up and down road, and parked in
driveway, shut it off and restarted it fine. Today when I went to start
it, it went click, click, click, then started, but started didn't stop
starting, I turned the key to off, still running and starter still
starting, daughter yells turn it off, I hold up key to her!!, so I stick
it back in and turn it to start again and it stops the starter, so I move
the jeep to where I wanted it, start it 2 times fine, so what the hell was
that???????