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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III
 
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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-05-2007 , 08:03 PM






How about a hill climb: http://www.billhughes.com/pismo.htm
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt (AT) nospamplease (DOT) com> wrote

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Since Wranglers aren't allowed on a strip, it doens't really matter if
wheel
spacers on a Wrangler are illegal, does it?

Tell you what, I'll race your Thunderbird with me in my TJ, but since we
can't do it on a strip I will pick another course:

http://www.wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/tj3.jpg



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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-05-2007 , 09:21 PM






Hi Chris,
There's nothing saying you may not run a four wheel drive, in a stock
class that it's horse power to weight fits:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/stockClasses.pdf Just that having to
accelerate all those extra gears makes it uncompetitive, compared to:
http://www.nhra.com/stats/ss_record.html My B stock automatic that got me
hooked on drag racing back in '59: http://www.billhughes.com/57Ford.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0||||||
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"c" <c (AT) me (DOT) org> wrote

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Yes, I have seen 4x4s running at the strip also, in bracket classes, but
the NHRA does not have a stock eliminator class that includes any 4wd
vehicles that I know of. Bracket racing is a whole different animal.

Chris



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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-06-2007 , 06:11 AM



In your T Bird.

"L.W. (Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

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How about a hill climb: http://www.billhughes.com/pismo.htm
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Since Wranglers aren't allowed on a strip, it doens't really matter if
wheel
spacers on a Wrangler are illegal, does it?

Tell you what, I'll race your Thunderbird with me in my TJ, but since we
can't do it on a strip I will pick another course:

http://www.wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/tj3.jpg





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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-06-2007 , 04:24 PM



No, I don't feel like tubbing it for my paddles:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/larrySandTires.jpg
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In your T Bird.



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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-07-2007 , 09:35 AM



I think Bill's original point was that using spacers weakens an already
questionable drive system.

Spacers are not designed for sudden torque loads as you would find in drag
racing or off-road driving.

They also negatively affect your steering geometry and add to your unsprung
weight which has several consequences of its own.

For slight rubbing issues the steering stops can be adjusted. If that is
insufficient you should replace the wheel rims to move the tires outward.
Moving the tires out by any means will also add stress to your wheel
bearings requiring additional maintenance.

As I no longer recall what type/year Jeep we are discussing this may be as
simple as inexpensive wheel bearings or a whole new and expensive hub.



"L.W. (Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

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No, I don't feel like tubbing it for my paddles:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/larrySandTires.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com

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In your T Bird.





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Matt Macchiarolo
 
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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-07-2007 , 03:21 PM



Oh, I know what his point was but I would think torque loads like you find
on a strip are less of a problem on the OP's YJ than the extra lateral
stesses of the larger tires in most off-road situations. Dragstrip
requirements are just not relevent in that case.

"billy ray" <billy_ray (AT) SPAMfuse (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
I think Bill's original point was that using spacers weakens an already
questionable drive system.

Spacers are not designed for sudden torque loads as you would find in drag
racing or off-road driving.

They also negatively affect your steering geometry and add to your
unsprung weight which has several consequences of its own.

For slight rubbing issues the steering stops can be adjusted. If that is
insufficient you should replace the wheel rims to move the tires outward.
Moving the tires out by any means will also add stress to your wheel
bearings requiring additional maintenance.

As I no longer recall what type/year Jeep we are discussing this may be as
simple as inexpensive wheel bearings or a whole new and expensive hub.



"L.W. (Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
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No, I don't feel like tubbing it for my paddles:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/larrySandTires.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt (AT) nospamplease (DOT) com> wrote in message
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In your T Bird.







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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-07-2007 , 07:46 PM



Wheel spacers are illegal to use on the drag strip, that makes it relevent.
Of course only the wise would take heed.
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt (AT) nospamplease (DOT) com> wrote

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Oh, I know what his point was but I would think torque loads like you find
on a strip are less of a problem on the OP's YJ than the extra lateral
stesses of the larger tires in most off-road situations. Dragstrip
requirements are just not relevent in that case.



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Matt Macchiarolo
 
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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-07-2007 , 08:01 PM



Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing.

"L.W. (Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

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Wheel spacers are illegal to use on the drag strip, that makes it
relevent.
Of course only the wise would take heed.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt (AT) nospamplease (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Oh, I know what his point was but I would think torque loads like you
find
on a strip are less of a problem on the OP's YJ than the extra lateral
stesses of the larger tires in most off-road situations. Dragstrip
requirements are just not relevent in that case.





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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III
 
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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-07-2007 , 08:30 PM



Well, in your TJ, that's probably true, but in a Real Jeep I've put a heck
of a lot more stress on it than ever on a drag strip. Once in an attempt for
four gear at about eighty miles an hour, on a hill climb it got to bouncing
and I'm told the last hop I was a full twenty feet off the ground when I
stuck in the sand with both front and rear axles broke.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:LWHughes3rd (AT) aol (DOT) com http://www.billhughes.com/

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt (AT) nospamplease (DOT) com> wrote

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Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing.



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Default Re: Wheel spacers - 02-07-2007 , 09:54 PM



On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human history, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

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Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing.
Original:

"Marty" <m_charles_baker (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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Just installed a 4" BDS suspension lift on a 94 YJ 6cyl. The 33"
tires are rubbing the leaf springs with rims from an '06 Wrangler.
Booger. I'm looking at wheel spacers on the net and on ebay. The
ones I'm finding on ebay are billet aluminum for about $50 less than
the titanium alloy offered from offroad web sites. These web sites
claim the aluminum spacers are vulnerable to losing studs and other
failures. Any inputs from all the experts out there??
Marty


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