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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-17-2006 , 10:59 PM






ok rich, so I remove the rear drive shaft, what should I do for all the
tranny lube on the output of the tranny? Any suggestions? Do I need to
remove my front drive shaft as well?
Thanks

Rich wrote:
Quote:
I flat tow my CJ behind my Class C RV. Most states now require brakes on the
towed vehicle. I don't use them. I take the legal chance. Am I right? no,
but the system is about 3 grand for the set-up or the alternative is to buy
or rent a tow dollie. I don't have anywhere to keep a tow dollie so I take
my chances. That being said I drive very carefully and allow PLENTY of room
to stop. The rules are posted on many RV sites if you want the info state by
state. If I remember Good Sam's RV club has links to this info. There is
also an RV NG that might give you a link for state by state info.
As far as how you tow I suggest you get Currie tow shackles (not trying to
sell for Currie). The tow shackles put your front springs into the equation.
This allows for a softer connection between the tow vehicle and the jeep.
Currie does a pretty good job explaining it on their website. Again I'm not
trying to sell their stuff but I like them. They really make towing the CJ
much more comfortable than pulling from the bumper. Remember, you can't back
up when flat towing and you should make sure the towbar is as level as
possible for safety. You should also remove your rear driveshaft to prevent
output bearing problems on your transfer case.
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a bunch
more fun stuff.

Hello everyone, I have a question about my 89 Wrangler.
I was going to buy a tow bar for the front bumper, but was told by the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks
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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-18-2006 , 12:42 AM






If you look at the design and shape of the transfer case, plus the location
of the level plug, I think you can assure yourself that the fluid won't come
out. I wouldn't bother removing the drive shaft anyway, as that is only
needed for CJs. The Wranglers were all designed to be flat towed. Just
make absolutely sure that the transfer case is in neutral, and that the
transmission is in gear, or park if it is an automatic. That way the
transfer case will lubricate itself, and the transmission will be locked to
the engine, so it won't need it. Do not put the transmission in neutral,
unless you want to have to rebuild it. I have towed my Wrangler thousands
of miles this way.

You have that silly vacuum front axle disconnect, so you don't really need
to remove the front drive shaft. If you crawl under the vehicle, you should
be able to verify, that the front drive shaft turns freely with the transfer
case in either 2wd or neutral.

These guys http://www.tomken.com/ make a decent tow bar, that has the
advantage of coming apart for storage.
http://www.tomken.com/detail.php?id=141 It fits on brackets that you can
bolt to your Wrangler bumper, or special spring shackles. The used to call
it their "emergency tow bar", and it came with a handy storage bag. I
bought one somewhere in the Redmond/Kirkland area, but damned if I can
remember the name now. "Eastside Four Wheel Drive"? Try the four wheel
drive shops, not the trailer shops.

Earle

"RiverRunner via CarKB.com" <u20952@uwe> wrote

Quote:
ok rich, so I remove the rear drive shaft, what should I do for all the
tranny lube on the output of the tranny? Any suggestions? Do I need to
remove my front drive shaft as well?
Thanks

Rich wrote:
I flat tow my CJ behind my Class C RV. Most states now require brakes on
the
towed vehicle. I don't use them. I take the legal chance. Am I right? no,
but the system is about 3 grand for the set-up or the alternative is to
buy
or rent a tow dollie. I don't have anywhere to keep a tow dollie so I
take
my chances. That being said I drive very carefully and allow PLENTY of
room
to stop. The rules are posted on many RV sites if you want the info state
by
state. If I remember Good Sam's RV club has links to this info. There is
also an RV NG that might give you a link for state by state info.
As far as how you tow I suggest you get Currie tow shackles (not trying
to
sell for Currie). The tow shackles put your front springs into the
equation.
This allows for a softer connection between the tow vehicle and the jeep.
Currie does a pretty good job explaining it on their website. Again I'm
not
trying to sell their stuff but I like them. They really make towing the
CJ
much more comfortable than pulling from the bumper. Remember, you can't
back
up when flat towing and you should make sure the towbar is as level as
possible for safety. You should also remove your rear driveshaft to
prevent
output bearing problems on your transfer case.
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
bunch
more fun stuff.

Hello everyone, I have a question about my 89 Wrangler.
I was going to buy a tow bar for the front bumper, but was told by the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks

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Jerry Bransford
 
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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-18-2006 , 02:14 AM



If it's a '97 or newer, the transfer case will not leak if the
driveshaft is removed. To flat tow, shift the t-case into neutral and
shift the transmission into either Park or a forward gear. This keeps
everything lubed as it needs to be

Jerry

RiverRunner via CarKB.com wrote:
Quote:
ok rich, so I remove the rear drive shaft, what should I do for all the
tranny lube on the output of the tranny? Any suggestions? Do I need to
remove my front drive shaft as well?
Thanks

Rich wrote:

I flat tow my CJ behind my Class C RV. Most states now require brakes on the
towed vehicle. I don't use them. I take the legal chance. Am I right? no,
but the system is about 3 grand for the set-up or the alternative is to buy
or rent a tow dollie. I don't have anywhere to keep a tow dollie so I take
my chances. That being said I drive very carefully and allow PLENTY of room
to stop. The rules are posted on many RV sites if you want the info state by
state. If I remember Good Sam's RV club has links to this info. There is
also an RV NG that might give you a link for state by state info.
As far as how you tow I suggest you get Currie tow shackles (not trying to
sell for Currie). The tow shackles put your front springs into the equation.
This allows for a softer connection between the tow vehicle and the jeep.
Currie does a pretty good job explaining it on their website. Again I'm not
trying to sell their stuff but I like them. They really make towing the CJ
much more comfortable than pulling from the bumper. Remember, you can't back
up when flat towing and you should make sure the towbar is as level as
possible for safety. You should also remove your rear driveshaft to prevent
output bearing problems on your transfer case.
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a bunch
more fun stuff.


Hello everyone, I have a question about my 89 Wrangler.
I was going to buy a tow bar for the front bumper, but was told by the

[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]

wrangler?
Thanks


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Mike Romain
 
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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-18-2006 , 09:43 AM



I believe it was Jerry who stated that a WD40 cap fits right over the
tailpiece of the transfer case and can be held on with a hose clamp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"RiverRunner via CarKB.com" wrote:
Quote:
ok rich, so I remove the rear drive shaft, what should I do for all the
tranny lube on the output of the tranny? Any suggestions? Do I need to
remove my front drive shaft as well?
Thanks

Rich wrote:
I flat tow my CJ behind my Class C RV. Most states now require brakes on the
towed vehicle. I don't use them. I take the legal chance. Am I right? no,
but the system is about 3 grand for the set-up or the alternative is to buy
or rent a tow dollie. I don't have anywhere to keep a tow dollie so I take
my chances. That being said I drive very carefully and allow PLENTY of room
to stop. The rules are posted on many RV sites if you want the info state by
state. If I remember Good Sam's RV club has links to this info. There is
also an RV NG that might give you a link for state by state info.
As far as how you tow I suggest you get Currie tow shackles (not trying to
sell for Currie). The tow shackles put your front springs into the equation.
This allows for a softer connection between the tow vehicle and the jeep.
Currie does a pretty good job explaining it on their website. Again I'm not
trying to sell their stuff but I like them. They really make towing the CJ
much more comfortable than pulling from the bumper. Remember, you can't back
up when flat towing and you should make sure the towbar is as level as
possible for safety. You should also remove your rear driveshaft to prevent
output bearing problems on your transfer case.
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a bunch
more fun stuff.

Hello everyone, I have a question about my 89 Wrangler.
I was going to buy a tow bar for the front bumper, but was told by the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks

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Earle Horton
 
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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-18-2006 , 02:08 PM



I believe that is only necessary if you are going to drive it, with the rear
drive shaft removed, not tow it.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote

Quote:
I believe it was Jerry who stated that a WD40 cap fits right over the
tailpiece of the transfer case and can be held on with a hose clamp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"RiverRunner via CarKB.com" wrote:

ok rich, so I remove the rear drive shaft, what should I do for all the
tranny lube on the output of the tranny? Any suggestions? Do I need to
remove my front drive shaft as well?
Thanks

Rich wrote:
I flat tow my CJ behind my Class C RV. Most states now require brakes
on the
towed vehicle. I don't use them. I take the legal chance. Am I right?
no,
but the system is about 3 grand for the set-up or the alternative is to
buy
or rent a tow dollie. I don't have anywhere to keep a tow dollie so I
take
my chances. That being said I drive very carefully and allow PLENTY of
room
to stop. The rules are posted on many RV sites if you want the info
state by
state. If I remember Good Sam's RV club has links to this info. There
is
also an RV NG that might give you a link for state by state info.
As far as how you tow I suggest you get Currie tow shackles (not trying
to
sell for Currie). The tow shackles put your front springs into the
equation.
This allows for a softer connection between the tow vehicle and the
jeep.
Currie does a pretty good job explaining it on their website. Again I'm
not
trying to sell their stuff but I like them. They really make towing the
CJ
much more comfortable than pulling from the bumper. Remember, you can't
back
up when flat towing and you should make sure the towbar is as level as
possible for safety. You should also remove your rear driveshaft to
prevent
output bearing problems on your transfer case.
Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I,
4.0L
head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
bunch
more fun stuff.

Hello everyone, I have a question about my 89 Wrangler.
I was going to buy a tow bar for the front bumper, but was told by
the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks

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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-18-2006 , 11:11 PM



ok, I'm a little confused,
I'm supposed to put the transfer case in neutral, makes sense to me,
but put the tranny in gear??? I have a manual tranny, it would seem that
would engage the motor and everything would be turning?

Earle Horton wrote:
Quote:
I believe that is only necessary if you are going to drive it, with the rear
drive shaft removed, not tow it.

Earle

I believe it was Jerry who stated that a WD40 cap fits right over the
tailpiece of the transfer case and can be held on with a hose clamp.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks
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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-19-2006 , 12:23 AM



Not with the transfer case in neutral! The way I do it--Start up the
engine, put the transfer case in neutral, then put the transmission in gear.
Let out the clutch, and nothing happens. You are ready to be towed. Leave
the key in the slot, but turn it so all the electrics go off, but the
steering wheel turns freely. Don't worry, unless your front end is
completely worn out, the wheels will follow your tow vehicle.

Explanation of why this works. The transmission will burn out, if its
output shaft is driven for any length of time, with the transmission in
neutral. This is because the countershaft, which is engine driven, is what
lubricates everything inside the transmission. It sits in the oil at the
bottom of the transmission, and flings it all over, as soon as you start up
the engine. Without this happening, you need to have the transmission in
gear, so that nothing will turn. The transfer case, on the other hand,
receives lubrication whenever the rear output shaft is turning.

Earle

"RiverRunner via CarKB.com" <u20952@uwe> wrote

Quote:
ok, I'm a little confused,
I'm supposed to put the transfer case in neutral, makes sense to me,
but put the tranny in gear??? I have a manual tranny, it would seem that
would engage the motor and everything would be turning?

Earle Horton wrote:
I believe that is only necessary if you are going to drive it, with the
rear
drive shaft removed, not tow it.

Earle

I believe it was Jerry who stated that a WD40 cap fits right over the
tailpiece of the transfer case and can be held on with a hose clamp.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks

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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-19-2006 , 01:29 AM



ok, I get it now. I was assuming that with the tranny in gear all would be
turning, but with the transfer case in Neutral, nothing happens at all. that
makes sense to me. thanks for the help all. hopefully all will go smoothly,
and no problems will arise.

Earle Horton wrote:
Quote:
Not with the transfer case in neutral! The way I do it--Start up the
engine, put the transfer case in neutral, then put the transmission in gear.
Let out the clutch, and nothing happens. You are ready to be towed. Leave
the key in the slot, but turn it so all the electrics go off, but the
steering wheel turns freely. Don't worry, unless your front end is
completely worn out, the wheels will follow your tow vehicle.

Explanation of why this works. The transmission will burn out, if its
output shaft is driven for any length of time, with the transmission in
neutral. This is because the countershaft, which is engine driven, is what
lubricates everything inside the transmission. It sits in the oil at the
bottom of the transmission, and flings it all over, as soon as you start up
the engine. Without this happening, you need to have the transmission in
gear, so that nothing will turn. The transfer case, on the other hand,
receives lubrication whenever the rear output shaft is turning.

Earle

ok, I'm a little confused,
I'm supposed to put the transfer case in neutral, makes sense to me,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks
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Mike Romain
 
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Default Re: Wrangler Curb Weight - 04-19-2006 , 10:00 AM



The owners manual for my 88 XJ says the same but it says specifically
'not' to disconnect the driveshaft or fluid will leak out.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"RiverRunner via CarKB.com" wrote:
Quote:
ok, I get it now. I was assuming that with the tranny in gear all would be
turning, but with the transfer case in Neutral, nothing happens at all. that
makes sense to me. thanks for the help all. hopefully all will go smoothly,
and no problems will arise.

Earle Horton wrote:
Not with the transfer case in neutral! The way I do it--Start up the
engine, put the transfer case in neutral, then put the transmission in gear.
Let out the clutch, and nothing happens. You are ready to be towed. Leave
the key in the slot, but turn it so all the electrics go off, but the
steering wheel turns freely. Don't worry, unless your front end is
completely worn out, the wheels will follow your tow vehicle.

Explanation of why this works. The transmission will burn out, if its
output shaft is driven for any length of time, with the transmission in
neutral. This is because the countershaft, which is engine driven, is what
lubricates everything inside the transmission. It sits in the oil at the
bottom of the transmission, and flings it all over, as soon as you start up
the engine. Without this happening, you need to have the transmission in
gear, so that nothing will turn. The transfer case, on the other hand,
receives lubrication whenever the rear output shaft is turning.

Earle

ok, I'm a little confused,
I'm supposed to put the transfer case in neutral, makes sense to me,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks

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"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Not with the transfer case in neutral! The way I do it--Start up the
engine, put the transfer case in neutral, then put the transmission in
gear.
Let out the clutch, and nothing happens. You are ready to be towed.
Leave
the key in the slot, but turn it so all the electrics go off, but the
steering wheel turns freely. Don't worry, unless your front end is
completely worn out, the wheels will follow your tow vehicle.

Explanation of why this works. The transmission will burn out, if its
output shaft is driven for any length of time, with the transmission in
neutral. This is because the countershaft, which is engine driven, is
what
lubricates everything inside the transmission. It sits in the oil at the
bottom of the transmission, and flings it all over, as soon as you start
up
the engine. Without this happening, you need to have the transmission in
gear, so that nothing will turn. The transfer case, on the other hand,
receives lubrication whenever the rear output shaft is turning.

Earle

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news:5efd934032185 (AT) uwe (DOT) ..
ok, I'm a little confused,
I'm supposed to put the transfer case in neutral, makes sense to me,
but put the tranny in gear??? I have a manual tranny, it would seem
that
would engage the motor and everything would be turning?

Earle Horton wrote:
I believe that is only necessary if you are going to drive it, with the
rear
drive shaft removed, not tow it.

Earle

I believe it was Jerry who stated that a WD40 cap fits right over the
tailpiece of the transfer case and can be held on with a hose clamp.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
wrangler?
Thanks

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Also, be sure the parking brake is off. seems obvious but some folks
forget. Also, Do not try to back up with the vehicle hooked to the tow
vehicle. this may cause harm to everything.




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