On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:47:04 -0400, "stu" <stuart8181 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

I've owned five of them, and I DRIVE them, so I guess I'm a DRIVER.

My current GS430 handles beautifully, and takes off from 50 like it
was shot out of a cannon.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:47:04 -0400, "stu" <stuart8181 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
graced this newsgroup with:

nice..so the Germans found another sucker...hook, line and sinker. LOL

It would take me several pages, perhaps a short book, to list all the
ways that my 06 LS430 premium whatsit version comes up short in
comparison to any german kar. But it is supposed to be durable and
reliable. The dealers are no better, in fact are worse because they
are such liars. As to handling, it sucks. Made a drive today that I
used to make a couple times a week for 3 years in my S Klass. The LS
was bouncing all over the road with the slightest wind. Three hours in
it felt bad, and my wife who never complains, said she was tired of
riding! She never got tired of riding in the S Klass. The tranny is
rough, but it is only 6 speeds. The pick up seemed ok, but rough and
sort of irregular when kicking in, esp at road speeds like in passing.
True, the S Klasse couldn't pass a stealership practicaly, and did
strand me by the side of the road on average every 3 years. In the
first 10,000 miles the LS 430 has developed a bad trunk motor and the
ac vents do not vibrate back and forth properly. And it has to go in
every 5000 miles for more cheap inferior dino oil. So it sees the
stealership more often than the old S Klass used to. But at least the
thing is cheap! About 30% less expensive than the S Klass. So if you
can't afford the best, drive a Lexus. Did I mention that when you hit
the open trunk button it unlatches the trunk which does not open till
you go back and grab it by the little button on the trunk? And when
you want to close the trunk, you have to push it all the way down till
the trunk closer motor wakes up, starts screeching, and pulls it down
the last inch or so. Oh yes - the open turnk button on the dash is
sooooo usefull - the button you have to push to open the trunk will
open it anyway without the dash button being pushed. Engineering for
show, not go. Buy a Lexus and you can say you have all the parts. Most
of them work, sort of. But it didn't cost much and it will run for
ever, probably. Hmmm ... wonder why Lexus cuts off its free call in
for repair service at 50,000 miles while the Krauts let theirs run on
forever or until the kar destructs or is hit by an A Bomb.

On 27 Apr 2007 22:40:56 -0700, mcbrue <mcbrue (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

What kind of an idiot keeps a car that makes him so unhappy?

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:25:42 -0400, DaveW <yzfr1ny (AT) yahoooo (DOT) com> graced
this newsgroup with:

ah..but mc-idiot is a regular whiner..does the same in the MB groups.
He's delusiional, just killfile him like everyone else has.

"DaveW" <yzfr1ny (AT) yahoooo (DOT) com> wrote

remember a Plymouth Duster....)

This someone who has determined he is a DRIVER because of the advertising
that is aimed at simple souls such as himself . European cars rely on their
aloof snob appeal knowing full well that their quality and reliability can
not match that of Japanese and in many cases American vehicles.




<stuart8181 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:04:58 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull (AT) cybertrails (DOT) com> wrote:

My '64 Plymouth Belvedere had it's share of problems, but I couldn't
afford a Lexus at the time, even if they had existed.

"Ice" <iceplanet2 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:
Snob appeal is alive and well, both with European brands, and with
Japanese, too. Big surprise: the luxury segment is *defined* by snob
appeal to some extent. You think a Cadillac Escalade owner isn't feeling
snobbish? You think that idiotic Hummer driver doesn't think he's the man?

People don't buy Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Porsche, or
even Audi because of "utilitarianism" or "value". They buy them because
they feel they're getting something beyond the ordinary, and they can
pay the price.

But pretty much every one of these brands is aiming for certain market niches,
in many cases slightly differentiated from each other by subtle "leanings".

Anyone who's been awake for the last decade (and who isn't delusional)
*knows* that Lexus has staked out a territory defined by certain
characteristics:

a) perceived high reliability and build quality
b) isolation from the driving experience
c) enough performance to placate owners who prefer "b)"
d) exclusivity and snob appeal
e) market segment-competitive "electronics"

Have you even watched a single Lexus commerical? Yes, there are some
that seem to stress performance, but how about the ES series? Oh look,
the robots are sensuously fondling the car. Oh look, not a bit of sound
intrudes upon your driving experience. Oh look, I don't have to know
how to parallel park (LS). Some "driver's car". Give me a break.

I doubt the typical BMW owner ranks "reliability" tops. They sure as
hell wouldn't rank "isolation" high either. Their electronics, in terms
of I-Drive, are almost universally reviled. But performance?
Got a Lexus you'd like to line up against an M3?

I have an Acura. If I could afford it, I might look at a BMW or Mercedes.
A Lexus doesn't ring my chimes: too Buick-like. Sorry.
But that's my opinion, and hopefully you're not too insecure in *your*
purchase decision to get upset about it.

On 2007-04-28 00:40:56 -0500, mcbrue <mcbrue (AT) aol (DOT) com> said:

Oh you poor poor man. What a sad life you must lead. My heart goes out ot you.

Shut the fuck up and go get a corrolla like you deserve, asshole.
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