LS430 Winter Tires

#21

I don't know who to believe. Pete in Kansas said they were GREAT...better
than anything since his '67 Bug. With a recommedation like that, why should
I hassle with new tires NOW? I thought the Dunlops would be terrible in snow
but he says this is just not true. Go figure.

"Car Guy" <nothing (AT) something (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Bernard,

You are going to be taking a risk by using performance rubber in weather
that it is not intended to be used. It makes no difference what car is
using this tire since winter traction will be the same regardless. If you
plan on keeping the lexus for a few years, I would suggest getting a
decent
set of winter so that winter driving will inspire confidence. Also, keep
in
mind that 1 minor accident these days will probably cost more then a set
of
winter tires when you factor vehicle damage, insurance cost increase and
the
inconvience of repairs.

"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:vFwgb.694688$YN5.567125 (AT) sccrnsc01 (DOT) ..
Interesting! Everyone else, mostly folks who don't have an LS with
Dunlops
but "read" about the tire, says they're not great in winter. I suspect
my
best bet is to keep the Dunlops thru this first winter, then NEXT winter
buy
something else if I need to. Thanks for telling me of your good
experience.

"Pete" <pete (AT) _nospam_ccoder (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:9iqgb.20313$Cp5.4749 (AT) news2 (DOT) central.cox.net...
My 2001 LS came with the Dunlops and they've performed extremely well
in
our icy Kansas winters. Our storms usually put an inch or three of
snow
over heavy ice. The LS on the Dunlops is more sure-footed on icy stuff
than anything else I've ever driven except maybe a '67 VW Beetle.

-- Pete

B. Newman wrote:
More on this. How about someone telling me about the tires that are
on
the
vehicle right now? They are Dunlop SP SPORT 5000M tires, size
P225/55R17
95H
M+S. Are they "all season"? Just "sport" (summer)? Are the GOOD?
I've
never
had Dunlop and, frankly, would have felt better with Michelin.
Anyway,
whatever you can tell me will be helpful.

"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:ACdgb.697634$uu5.113605 (AT) sccrnsc04 (DOT) ..

OK, I read the Consumer Reports article and am now MORE confused
than
before. My situation is that I live in PITTSBURGH. My MAIN concern
is
traction up snowy hills...braking is secondary but obviously
important.

C.U.

So which Nokian....or other brand...should I go with?

"Car Guy" <nothing (AT) something (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:kDcgb.1867$fP6.70396 (AT) news20 (DOT) bellglobal.com...

That article rated the Hakka Q as being a good tire and the NRW as
being

mid

range. I was recommending the Nokian WR which is a different
tire.

I would suggest you research in the winter tires since Nokian are
known

to

be the best, and safest tires on the market. I am not a dealer so
regardless of what you buy, I don't make a cent. I am just putting
my
2
cents worth by telling you what I ended up getting after spending
months

of

research. Nokian tires last much longer then Bridgestone, Dunlop
and

other

tires. As for performance winters, I don't plan on buying those
since

their

emphasis is on handling and not winter grip. Most BMW, and Porsche

drivers

will opt for performance winters to highlight their vehicles. I
have
a
friend who bought the Porsche Cayenne Turbo SUV which is definitely
a
performance vehicle, and she put a set of Nokian WR SUV's on her
vehicle

and

she loves it. I also have friends who take their performance cars
(AMG
Benz, M Series BMW, Porsche, et. al) to Mont Tremblant, Quebec and
they

have

been using the WR's and found them to be quite satisfactory. I
went

with

the Hakka 1's since they have even better snow and ice traction.

Last year, I came to a snow covered road, and this guy behind me
was
not
able to stop and was sliding right into me. I generally stop a
good
20

feet

away from the car in front of me so that I have a place to escape
if
I

need

to. I just accelerated around the front car and stopped next to
him
and

the

guy behind me slid a good 25 feet and rear ended the car that I was
in

front

of.

My view on winter tires is that I want to maximize winter grip (ice
and

snow

traction), and not very concerned about world class handling since
I

tend

to

drive at the speed limit or lower in Winter.

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo1m0mcru0k35f (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

OK. just sent it.

--

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist,

chemist,

Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:6P%fb.500638$Oz4.351373 (AT) rwcrnsc54 (DOT) ..

Thanks a lot for that info. I'd love to see that article. You can

send

it

to

me at: bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo080p24t4l779 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

As it happens, I just got my Consumer Reports that covers tires.

They

summarize their results former results for winter tires by

recommending

the

Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 ($120) (H-rated) and the Kumho I'zen

Stud

KW-11

(I

DID NOT make that up) for $55 (Q-rated).

In the original full test (November '02), the Blizzaks did well,

but

were

not among the best. Michelin Arctic Alpins were better, for

example.

The

best tire for snow/ice traction was the$55 Dunlop Graspic DS-1

(Q-rated).

If you ask, I'll e-mail you the article.

You may not really need winter tires. We live in mid-Michigan

(lots

of

snow

some winters) and my wife has done very well in her LS fitted
with

good

all-seasons.

By the way, the same new issue compares luxury sport sedans

(LS430,

S430

Merc, Jag XJ8, Audi A8 L, Bimmer 745Li) and the LS430 wins and
is

the

only

recommended model. Everybody else has quality problems. They

panned

the

LS430 for being (surprise, surprise) "unexciting". You chose
well.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist,

chemist,

Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:umpfb.491274$cF.172686 (AT) rwcrnsc53 (DOT) ..

Anyone here use winter tires on their LS? I am thinking about

buying

a

set

of Blizzaks for my '03 LS430. Any comments good, bad, or

otherwise...as

well

as alternative tires...would be appreciated.

#22

My friend bought four snow tires for his LS430, and couldn't believe the
improvement. If you plan to drive in snow or slippery road conditions,
spring for four tires, not just two. My friend started off with two, added
the two fronts, and saw significant differences for the better.

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote

Quote:

As it happens, I just got my Consumer Reports that covers tires. They
summarize their results former results for winter tires by recommending
the
Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 ($120) (H-rated) and the Kumho I'zen Stud KW-11
(I
DID NOT make that up) for $55 (Q-rated).

In the original full test (November '02), the Blizzaks did well, but were
not among the best. Michelin Arctic Alpins were better, for example. The
best tire for snow/ice traction was the$55 Dunlop Graspic DS-1 (Q-rated).

If you ask, I'll e-mail you the article.

You may not really need winter tires. We live in mid-Michigan (lots of
snow
some winters) and my wife has done very well in her LS fitted with good
all-seasons.

By the way, the same new issue compares luxury sport sedans (LS430, S430
Merc, Jag XJ8, Audi A8 L, Bimmer 745Li) and the LS430 wins and is the only
recommended model. Everybody else has quality problems. They panned the
LS430 for being (surprise, surprise) "unexciting". You chose well.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:umpfb.491274$cF.172686 (AT) rwcrnsc53 (DOT) ..
Anyone here use winter tires on their LS? I am thinking about buying a
set
of Blizzaks for my '03 LS430. Any comments good, bad, or otherwise...as
well
as alternative tires...would be appreciated.

#23

Well, after all, if the Dunlops are not to your satisfaction you can
always replace them when you find that out.

-- Pete

B. Newman wrote:

Quote:

Interesting! Everyone else, mostly folks who don't have an LS with Dunlops
but "read" about the tire, says they're not great in winter. I suspect my
best bet is to keep the Dunlops thru this first winter, then NEXT winter buy
something else if I need to. Thanks for telling me of your good experience.

"Pete" <pete (AT) _nospam_ccoder (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:9iqgb.20313$Cp5.4749 (AT) news2 (DOT) central.cox.net...

My 2001 LS came with the Dunlops and they've performed extremely well in
our icy Kansas winters. Our storms usually put an inch or three of snow
over heavy ice. The LS on the Dunlops is more sure-footed on icy stuff
than anything else I've ever driven except maybe a '67 VW Beetle.

-- Pete

B. Newman wrote:

More on this. How about someone telling me about the tires that are on

the

vehicle right now? They are Dunlop SP SPORT 5000M tires, size P225/55R17

95H

M+S. Are they "all season"? Just "sport" (summer)? Are the GOOD? I've

never

had Dunlop and, frankly, would have felt better with Michelin. Anyway,
whatever you can tell me will be helpful.

"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:ACdgb.697634$uu5.113605 (AT) sccrnsc04 (DOT) ..

OK, I read the Consumer Reports article and am now MORE confused than
before. My situation is that I live in PITTSBURGH. My MAIN concern is
traction up snowy hills...braking is secondary but obviously important.

C.U.

So which Nokian....or other brand...should I go with?

"Car Guy" <nothing (AT) something (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:kDcgb.1867$fP6.70396 (AT) news20 (DOT) bellglobal.com...

That article rated the Hakka Q as being a good tire and the NRW as

being

mid

range. I was recommending the Nokian WR which is a different tire.

I would suggest you research in the winter tires since Nokian are known

to

be the best, and safest tires on the market. I am not a dealer so
regardless of what you buy, I don't make a cent. I am just putting my

2

cents worth by telling you what I ended up getting after spending

months

of

research. Nokian tires last much longer then Bridgestone, Dunlop and

other

tires. As for performance winters, I don't plan on buying those since

their

emphasis is on handling and not winter grip. Most BMW, and Porsche

drivers

will opt for performance winters to highlight their vehicles. I have a
friend who bought the Porsche Cayenne Turbo SUV which is definitely a
performance vehicle, and she put a set of Nokian WR SUV's on her

vehicle

and

she loves it. I also have friends who take their performance cars (AMG
Benz, M Series BMW, Porsche, et. al) to Mont Tremblant, Quebec and they

have

been using the WR's and found them to be quite satisfactory. I went

with

the Hakka 1's since they have even better snow and ice traction.

Last year, I came to a snow covered road, and this guy behind me was

not

able to stop and was sliding right into me. I generally stop a good 20

feet

away from the car in front of me so that I have a place to escape if I

need

to. I just accelerated around the front car and stopped next to him

and

the

guy behind me slid a good 25 feet and rear ended the car that I was in

front

of.

My view on winter tires is that I want to maximize winter grip (ice and

snow

traction), and not very concerned about world class handling since I

tend

to

drive at the speed limit or lower in Winter.

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo1m0mcru0k35f (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

OK. just sent it.

--

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist,

chemist,

Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:6P%fb.500638$Oz4.351373 (AT) rwcrnsc54 (DOT) ..

Thanks a lot for that info. I'd love to see that article. You can

send

it

to

me at: bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo080p24t4l779 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

As it happens, I just got my Consumer Reports that covers tires.

They

summarize their results former results for winter tires by

recommending

the

Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 ($120) (H-rated) and the Kumho I'zen

Stud

KW-11

(I

DID NOT make that up) for $55 (Q-rated).

In the original full test (November '02), the Blizzaks did well,

but

were

not among the best. Michelin Arctic Alpins were better, for

example.

The

best tire for snow/ice traction was the$55 Dunlop Graspic DS-1

(Q-rated).

If you ask, I'll e-mail you the article.

You may not really need winter tires. We live in mid-Michigan

(lots

of

snow

some winters) and my wife has done very well in her LS fitted with

good

all-seasons.

By the way, the same new issue compares luxury sport sedans

(LS430,

S430

Merc, Jag XJ8, Audi A8 L, Bimmer 745Li) and the LS430 wins and is

the

only

recommended model. Everybody else has quality problems. They

panned

the

LS430 for being (surprise, surprise) "unexciting". You chose well.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist,

chemist,

Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:umpfb.491274$cF.172686 (AT) rwcrnsc53 (DOT) ..

Anyone here use winter tires on their LS? I am thinking about

buying

a

set

of Blizzaks for my '03 LS430. Any comments good, bad, or

otherwise...as

well

as alternative tires...would be appreciated.

#24

Uh, it just occurred to me, there are assorted different Dunlops on
various LS 430's in different markets. Here in Kansas we get more of an
all-weather tire than the summer tires sold south of here, for example.
On checking, the tires on my car are Dunlop Sport 270's and they've
performed very well overall.

-- Pete

B. Newman wrote:

Quote:

I don't know who to believe. Pete in Kansas said they were GREAT...better
than anything since his '67 Bug. With a recommedation like that, why should
I hassle with new tires NOW? I thought the Dunlops would be terrible in snow
but he says this is just not true. Go figure.

"Car Guy" <nothing (AT) something (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:Ikxgb.6236$fP6.142706 (AT) news20 (DOT) bellglobal.com...

Bernard,

You are going to be taking a risk by using performance rubber in weather
that it is not intended to be used. It makes no difference what car is
using this tire since winter traction will be the same regardless. If you
plan on keeping the lexus for a few years, I would suggest getting a

decent

set of winter so that winter driving will inspire confidence. Also, keep

in

mind that 1 minor accident these days will probably cost more then a set

of

winter tires when you factor vehicle damage, insurance cost increase and

the

inconvience of repairs.

"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:vFwgb.694688$YN5.567125 (AT) sccrnsc01 (DOT) ..

Interesting! Everyone else, mostly folks who don't have an LS with

Dunlops

but "read" about the tire, says they're not great in winter. I suspect

my

best bet is to keep the Dunlops thru this first winter, then NEXT winter

buy

something else if I need to. Thanks for telling me of your good

experience.

"Pete" <pete (AT) _nospam_ccoder (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:9iqgb.20313$Cp5.4749 (AT) news2 (DOT) central.cox.net...

My 2001 LS came with the Dunlops and they've performed extremely well

in

our icy Kansas winters. Our storms usually put an inch or three of

snow

over heavy ice. The LS on the Dunlops is more sure-footed on icy stuff
than anything else I've ever driven except maybe a '67 VW Beetle.

-- Pete

B. Newman wrote:

More on this. How about someone telling me about the tires that are

on

the

vehicle right now? They are Dunlop SP SPORT 5000M tires, size

P225/55R17

95H

M+S. Are they "all season"? Just "sport" (summer)? Are the GOOD?

I've

never

had Dunlop and, frankly, would have felt better with Michelin.

Anyway,

whatever you can tell me will be helpful.

"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:ACdgb.697634$uu5.113605 (AT) sccrnsc04 (DOT) ..

OK, I read the Consumer Reports article and am now MORE confused

than

before. My situation is that I live in PITTSBURGH. My MAIN concern

is

traction up snowy hills...braking is secondary but obviously

important.

C.U.

So which Nokian....or other brand...should I go with?

"Car Guy" <nothing (AT) something (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:kDcgb.1867$fP6.70396 (AT) news20 (DOT) bellglobal.com...

That article rated the Hakka Q as being a good tire and the NRW as

being

mid

range. I was recommending the Nokian WR which is a different

tire.

I would suggest you research in the winter tires since Nokian are

known

to

be the best, and safest tires on the market. I am not a dealer so
regardless of what you buy, I don't make a cent. I am just putting

my

2

cents worth by telling you what I ended up getting after spending

months

of

research. Nokian tires last much longer then Bridgestone, Dunlop

and

other

tires. As for performance winters, I don't plan on buying those

since

their

emphasis is on handling and not winter grip. Most BMW, and Porsche

drivers

will opt for performance winters to highlight their vehicles. I

have

a

friend who bought the Porsche Cayenne Turbo SUV which is definitely

a

performance vehicle, and she put a set of Nokian WR SUV's on her

vehicle

and

she loves it. I also have friends who take their performance cars

(AMG

Benz, M Series BMW, Porsche, et. al) to Mont Tremblant, Quebec and

they

have

been using the WR's and found them to be quite satisfactory. I

went

with

the Hakka 1's since they have even better snow and ice traction.

Last year, I came to a snow covered road, and this guy behind me

was

not

able to stop and was sliding right into me. I generally stop a

good

20

feet

away from the car in front of me so that I have a place to escape

if

I

need

to. I just accelerated around the front car and stopped next to

him

and

the

guy behind me slid a good 25 feet and rear ended the car that I was

in

front

of.

My view on winter tires is that I want to maximize winter grip (ice

and

snow

traction), and not very concerned about world class handling since

I

tend

to

drive at the speed limit or lower in Winter.

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo1m0mcru0k35f (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

OK. just sent it.

--

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist,

chemist,

Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:6P%fb.500638$Oz4.351373 (AT) rwcrnsc54 (DOT) ..

Thanks a lot for that info. I'd love to see that article. You can

send

it

to

me at: bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo080p24t4l779 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...

As it happens, I just got my Consumer Reports that covers tires.

They

summarize their results former results for winter tires by

recommending

the

Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 ($120) (H-rated) and the Kumho I'zen

Stud

KW-11

(I

DID NOT make that up) for $55 (Q-rated).

In the original full test (November '02), the Blizzaks did well,

but

were

not among the best. Michelin Arctic Alpins were better, for

example.

The

best tire for snow/ice traction was the$55 Dunlop Graspic DS-1

(Q-rated).

If you ask, I'll e-mail you the article.

You may not really need winter tires. We live in mid-Michigan

(lots

of

snow

some winters) and my wife has done very well in her LS fitted

with

good

all-seasons.

By the way, the same new issue compares luxury sport sedans

(LS430,

S430

Merc, Jag XJ8, Audi A8 L, Bimmer 745Li) and the LS430 wins and

is

the

only

recommended model. Everybody else has quality problems. They

panned

the

LS430 for being (surprise, surprise) "unexciting". You chose

well.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist,

chemist,

Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:umpfb.491274$cF.172686 (AT) rwcrnsc53 (DOT) ..

Anyone here use winter tires on their LS? I am thinking about

buying

a

set

of Blizzaks for my '03 LS430. Any comments good, bad, or

otherwise...as

well

as alternative tires...would be appreciated.

#25

I made it through the blizzards of last winter in the Northeast US
with a set of 205/55R16 Blizzak LM22's on my IS300, but it was no fun
to say the least. The IS has a lot of torque and even with the Torsen
LSD, the Blizzaks improved the snow driving of the car from dangerous
(with the standard Dunlop 9000 17" tires) to merely borderline
useless.

While I don't claim to be an expert snow driver, I did make it through
a couple of Rochester NY winters in a RWD Celica with no real
problems, so I suspect that the car and/or the tires just aren't that
good in snow. So this year I decided to bite the bullet and buy
another vehicle just for use in snow. I hate to spend a lot of money
on a car that will probably be driven only a couple of thousand miles
a year, so I invested $7500 in a used RAV-4 and I'm putting dedicated
snow tires on all 4 corners. I suspect that will do a better job of
getting me through the snow and if nothing else it will save me the
headache of changing out of the summer tires on the IS

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:21:11 UTC, "Car Guy" <nothing (AT) something (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Bernard,

You are going to be taking a risk by using performance rubber in weather
that it is not intended to be used. It makes no difference what car is
using this tire since winter traction will be the same regardless. If you
plan on keeping the lexus for a few years, I would suggest getting a decent
set of winter so that winter driving will inspire confidence. Also, keep in
mind that 1 minor accident these days will probably cost more then a set of
winter tires when you factor vehicle damage, insurance cost increase and the
inconvience of repairs.

#26

OK, I ordered a set of 4 Nokian WR tires. We'll see how they do this winter.

"Shetland Sheepdog" <shetlandsheeps (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

My friend bought four snow tires for his LS430, and couldn't believe the
improvement. If you plan to drive in snow or slippery road conditions,
spring for four tires, not just two. My friend started off with two,
added
the two fronts, and saw significant differences for the better.

"GRL" <GLitwinski (AT) CHARTERMI (DOT) COM> wrote in message
news:vo080p24t4l779 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
As it happens, I just got my Consumer Reports that covers tires. They
summarize their results former results for winter tires by recommending
the
Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 ($120) (H-rated) and the Kumho I'zen Stud
KW-11
(I
DID NOT make that up) for $55 (Q-rated).

In the original full test (November '02), the Blizzaks did well, but
were
not among the best. Michelin Arctic Alpins were better, for example. The
best tire for snow/ice traction was the$55 Dunlop Graspic DS-1
(Q-rated).

If you ask, I'll e-mail you the article.

You may not really need winter tires. We live in mid-Michigan (lots of
snow
some winters) and my wife has done very well in her LS fitted with good
all-seasons.

By the way, the same new issue compares luxury sport sedans (LS430, S430
Merc, Jag XJ8, Audi A8 L, Bimmer 745Li) and the LS430 wins and is the
only
recommended model. Everybody else has quality problems. They panned the
LS430 for being (surprise, surprise) "unexciting". You chose well.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"B. Newman" <bernardnewman (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:umpfb.491274$cF.172686 (AT) rwcrnsc53 (DOT) ..
Anyone here use winter tires on their LS? I am thinking about buying a
set
of Blizzaks for my '03 LS430. Any comments good, bad, or
otherwise...as
well
as alternative tires...would be appreciated.

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