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Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus -
03-06-2006
, 03:46 PM
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I work with a number of Attorneys, most of whom drive 'Benz's. All of them are on really good terms with the service department at the local 'Benz dealership. I was at one of their houses Saturday doing some computer work. He commented on my 01 GS-430, asked how I liked it and told me his tale of woe: In 2003 he bought his wife a new S430 Benz. He paid $81,000.00 for it and since: 1) It has spent an average of 31 days in the shop per year. Since this is less than 45 days per year, Mercedes says it doesn't qualify as a lemon and will do nothing about it. 2) It has his wife stranded a number of times. 3) After much negation, the only thing Mercedes would do was to extend his warranty to 5 years, 100,000 miles. The car now has 23,000 miles on it, Since it's left his wife stranded so many times, she refuses to drive it. I suggested making a flower planter out of it. I told him I paid a little more than 1/3 of the cost of his 'Benz for my Lexus, have had "0" problems with it. He didn't offer to trade me straight across, but he was thinking about it. Personally, I will stay with Lexus. "sloppybeak" <sloppybeak.245jgz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in message news:sloppybeak.245jgz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.yourdomain.com.au... I am just wondering, because I cannot really afford a Lexus, but my brother claims that a LExus would never do for him-its gotta be a Benz.I told him I thought Mercedes were overpriced unreleaible overengineered machines, and that a Lexus would be more reliable and just as comfortable. What say ye? -- sloppybeak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ sloppybeak's Profile: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/me...p?userid=22210 View this thread: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=124655 |
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In article <hnjk02loj9hk073f9mksqls7gb1fruc239 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, jdoe <jdoe (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: I am just wondering, because I cannot really afford a Lexus, but my brother claims that a LExus would never do for him-its gotta be a Benz.I told him I thought Mercedes were overpriced unreleaible overengineered machines, and that a Lexus would be more reliable and just as comfortable. What say ye? as an owner of both, I like my benz better, the lexus is a fine car if you just want to get from here to there but for people who really enjoy driving the benz is far superior Me, I wouldn't buy a German car with YOUR money. (Been there, done that.) And yes, I "get" German cars. German cars are the expensive, pouty, and high-maintenance mistresses of the road. Damn, they are a fine, fine ride... ....but then the maintenance and pouting kicks in. At some point, without unlimited funds, you are at a decision point: continue the high-priced, high-maintenance fun, or go back home and enjoy your reliable Lexus wife of a car, patiently sitting there waiting for you to get over the midlife crisis. Oh sure, she's not as sexy as the German car, and she doesn't handle at the edge like the German car. She's also not as fickle and high maintenance and pouty, and she agrees with you much more of the time. She's always there and never complains, and you come to realize there's more to life than a high-maintenance relationship with a pouty, high-maintenance woman--no matter how sexy she is or how fun the nights out with her can be. Because when she lets you down and demands more of you than you have to give, and treats you like dirt, you're standing there all alone outside the club, looking and feeling like an idiot. Your Lexus wife would never, ever do that to you. And the occasional fun night out isn't worth what you end up paying for it, both financially and in time wasted while you wait for the German car mistress to be in the mood to play. Do this: start paying attention to cars with tail light and headlight problems. What brands of cars are you seeing? That's right--VW, M-B, and BMW. And pay attention to how old, or rather how new, those problem cars are. The reality of electrical issues with German cars make Lucas electrics look reliable. Now *try* to find a Honda or Toyota, either low brand or high brand, no matter how old, with non-working tail lights. Good luck. It's a small thing, but it represents the reality of the situation. You want to buy a German car? Just buy a GM car. At least the money you're throwing away stays more inside the country--and you get just as reliable a car. |
-Dana
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I am just wondering, because I cannot really afford a Lexus, but my brother claims that a LExus would never do for him-its gotta be a Benz.I told him I thought Mercedes were overpriced unreleaible overengineered machines, and that a Lexus would be more reliable and just as comfortable. What say ye? -- sloppybeak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ sloppybeak's Profile: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/me...p?userid=22210 View this thread: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=124655 |
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I own an SLK320. Prior to the SLK, I owned a TT FWD. Never had any problems with either the TT Audi (also, my wife has had a problem-free A4 since 2001) or the Mercedes Benz. Both were great cars. Drove a few sc430s the past couple of weeks because I need to (sadly) get rid of my MB because it is a 6 speed and I've been having problems with my knee (on and off for the past 2 years....to the point of one round of physical therapy). Was very impressed with both the look and the quality of the sc430......very plush and a very smooth ride. However what I don't like about the sc430 is that while it looks sporty, it is far from it. I found the ride very smooth but very boring....what one would expect from a sedan vs. a sports car. Nothing wrong with the feel of the car....for what it is, Lexus has done an exceptional job...great quality and build, maybe as good as it gets for that type of car (beating the SL500). However, I think the car a beautiful snooze.....if you like to drive and like a performance vehicle, the Lexus sc430 is not for you. Myself? Went with the TT V6 with the new DSG tranny...incredibly sporty, great Bose stereo (better punch to it than the ML system IMHO) and has AWD. Loved the feel of the Boxster....but then it gets down to what car you can trust.....Lexus is at the top of the list IMHO....Audi is exceptional (though the electricl system can be tempermental....or so I've been told) and the MB less reliable than the Audi. |
second to none, but nobody in their wildest imagination would call any
of them sporty. My description of the SC430 is that owning one will
make you the sexiest guy in the retirement home.
The original IS was a good attempt at making a sporty sedan, even if
it was a bit rough around the edges. Unfortunately, even that bastion
of performance car testing, Consumer Reports, just said in their April
issue that the new IS250/350 can't by any stretch be called sporty
either.
So it looks like Toyota is giving up on its only feeble attempt to
build a sporty car, and is slipping back into what it does best--
building reliable and luxurious, but boring, old men's cars. I have a
4 year old manual shift IS300, and I guess I'll hang onto it until
the next generation, and hope that somehow Lexus comes back to
sportiness. If I had to buy a new car today, I suspect I'd get a
3-series BMW (even though I think the new styling is totally stupid),
and hope that it doesn't act like a typical German car and spend 100
days a year in the shop.
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In article <AOWdnZdf5PGmBY7ZRVn-jw (AT) rcn (DOT) net>, "b22r" <b22r (AT) erols (DOT) com wrote: I own an SLK320. Prior to the SLK, I owned a TT FWD. Never had any problems with either the TT Audi (also, my wife has had a problem-free A4 since 2001) or the Mercedes Benz. Both were great cars. Any car, even a GM, should be fine for a couple of years--and you haven't owned these cars for more than a couple of years before you got rid of them. That's what the carmakers are carefully crafting their cars for: the two to three year lease period. The accountants are very carefully defining the parts that will fail not within the warranty/lease period but which are not designed to go much past that. It keeps their costs down, which keeps their profits up. The cost of fixing this issue, then, goes to the guy who buys it used. |
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...to say the Mercedes is "overpriced unreleaible overengineered machines" is bullshit IMHO. I think them pretty reliable... |
auto issue, page 90. MB cars are rated "much worse than average" in
reliability, particularly electrical and power equipment.
When you consider that Consumer Reports rates cars on an level playing
field (i.e, independent of price), MB's relability ratings are obscene
considering what the cars cost. And their dealers' service departments
are even more overpriced than their sales departments.
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Most important, if you like to drive....the Lexus is boring. |
the MB, BMW, "road feel" drive. :-)
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"b22r" <b22r (AT) erols (DOT) com> wrote in message news:AOWdnZdf5PGmBY7ZRVn-jw (AT) rcn (DOT) net... ...to say the Mercedes is "overpriced unreleaible overengineered machines" is bullshit IMHO. I think them pretty reliable... Not according to Consumer Reports. Take a look at this month's annual auto issue, page 90. MB cars are rated "much worse than average" in reliability, particularly electrical and power equipment. When you consider that Consumer Reports rates cars on an level playing field (i.e, independent of price), MB's relability ratings are obscene considering what the cars cost. And their dealers' service departments are even more overpriced than their sales departments. Most important, if you like to drive....the Lexus is boring. I prefer the way the Lexus drives. When I was a teenager, I preferred the MB, BMW, "road feel" drive. :-) I get Consumer Reports, read it monthly and depend on it for important |
friends have or the SLK320 that until recently I had. Do admit that Lexus is
the best relative to those we mentioned.
Re the way the Lexus drives....I preferred the road feel as a teenager and
to some extent still do. I appreciate a quiet cabin but do want to hear the
engine as it shifts gears (though not too loud). The Miatas, del sols (the
ones that still survive), Toyota spyders, convert Beetles, etc.....those are
a tad punishing long term. The TT, Boxster, SLK.....fun fun fun (as
mentioned earlier). If some day Lexus gives something particularly exciting
to drive (a convert)....I'm there. The sc430? Sheeeesh.....even too refined
for my 80 yr old mom (who drives a high end jag).
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....I'm there. The sc430? Sheeeesh.....even too refined for my 80 yr old mom (who drives a high end jag). |
been there, done that. Never own a Jag again thankyouverymuch
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I get Consumer Reports, read it monthly and depend on it for important purchases. Having said that, see little problems with the Mercedes that friends have or the SLK320 that until recently I had. |
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Re the way the Lexus drives....I preferred the road feel as a teenager and to some extent still do. I appreciate a quiet cabin but do want to hear the engine as it shifts gears (though not too loud). |
Not me. I'd rather hear the high-end stereo.
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The Miatas, del sols (the ones that still survive), Toyota spyders, convert Beetles, etc.....those are a tad punishing long term. The TT, Boxster, SLK.....fun fun fun (as mentioned earlier). If some day Lexus gives something particularly exciting to drive (a convert)....I'm there. The sc430? Sheeeesh.....even too refined for my 80 yr old mom (who drives a high end jag). |
the Lexus is not the one I would choose.
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