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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-15-2006 , 08:20 PM






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A couple of things..

My mom had a jag in the late 80s, maybe early 90s. She had leased it.....it
was the most unreliable POS imaginable. An incredible amount of electrical
problems. Half the time it would not even start (often stranding her
somewhere). She returned it to the leasing agency within 2 months. In
contrast, the relatively newjag she has now is quite nice....good ride and
has held up nicely.

Nothing worse than an unreliable car. Nothing worse than going to start a
car and it won't....or being stranded at the side of the road. Once bitten
twice shy. Too bad that overall for the auto biz, there is not better
quality.

ironically, their quality went WAY up when Ford took them over. They
completely re engineered their assembly process and introduced
something the Brits were totally unfamiliar with...quality control.

It's an incredible statement of just how bad your build quality is
when FORD can come along and double, maybe triple, your reliability
ratings.




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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-15-2006 , 08:27 PM







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....I'm there. The sc430? Sheeeesh.....even too refined
for my 80 yr old mom (who drives a high end jag).


is there even such a thing as a high end Jag? No thanks,
been there, done that. Never own a Jag again thankyouverymuch

Hey....makes my mom happy (80 years old) and the thing is
exceptionally
reliable (not like in the old days)...so mom....ROCK ON!


..which is also surprising to me since the Jags are in the basement
in
all the reviews I've read as well.

Hey....maybe my family has been extremely lucky with our cars. My bet
is
that it definitely helps that we drive low milage cars and only keep
them a
few years.....the trials and tribulations of all of us getting a new
car
every year in the 70s (my dad would buy cars wholesale that just came
off
lease from his friend who owned a dealership, we'd keep them for a year
and
then my dad would sell them at a profit....obviously my dad wanted to
be a
car salesman but instead was stuck with a multimillion dollar
advertising
company)
Thats so great, to have a dad like that! Yes, than why not drive
the mercedes? Drive it 2-4 years and sell it when its ready for some
intensive upkeep expenses.You DA MAN!! BY the way, what car will i get
when the time comes for a sedan?? A Mercury Grand Marquis!! Thats
because my dad was simple civil servant ,although he died quite
comfortably upper midde class. What did he taech me? Crown Vics are the
best choice all around for Price versus value, comfort, and
reliability.Thjere, Ive said it. This is MY thread and im sticking to
it!


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b22r
 
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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-15-2006 , 08:47 PM



Quote:
....I'm there. The sc430? Sheeeesh.....even too refined
for my 80 yr old mom (who drives a high end jag).


is there even such a thing as a high end Jag? No thanks,
been there, done that. Never own a Jag again thankyouverymuch

Hey....makes my mom happy (80 years old) and the thing is
exceptionally
reliable (not like in the old days)...so mom....ROCK ON!


..which is also surprising to me since the Jags are in the basement
in
all the reviews I've read as well.

Hey....maybe my family has been extremely lucky with our cars. My bet
is
that it definitely helps that we drive low milage cars and only keep
them a
few years.....the trials and tribulations of all of us getting a new
car
every year in the 70s (my dad would buy cars wholesale that just came
off
lease from his friend who owned a dealership, we'd keep them for a year
and
then my dad would sell them at a profit....obviously my dad wanted to
be a
car salesman but instead was stuck with a multimillion dollar
advertising
company)

Thats so great, to have a dad like that! Yes, than why not drive
the mercedes? Drive it 2-4 years and sell it when its ready for some
intensive upkeep expenses.You DA MAN!! BY the way, what car will i get
when the time comes for a sedan?? A Mercury Grand Marquis!! Thats
because my dad was simple civil servant ,although he died quite
comfortably upper midde class. What did he taech me? Crown Vics are the
best choice all around for Price versus value, comfort, and
reliability.Thjere, Ive said it. This is MY thread and im sticking to
it!

LOL.....if anything, my dad while incredibly generous screwed up the whole
fam damly.....both of my brothers and I can't seem to keep a car more than a
couple of year before we get bored and want something new. Oh and re the
sarcasm, forget that my pop had a very successful company. The key for him
was buying wholesale (off lease) and then selling for a profit (or no cost
for the year used). He just loved the wheeling and dealing of car
sales...and it helped that he worked out of the house. Don't hate the
plater, hate the game...LOL.




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b22r
 
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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-15-2006 , 08:48 PM




Quote:
Nothing worse than an unreliable car. Nothing worse than going to start
a
car and it won't....or being stranded at the side of the road. Once
bitten
twice shy. Too bad that overall for the auto biz, there is not better
quality.



I agree. I had a VW Rabbit that did the same things. It's been over
25 years, but I swore I'd never buy another VW, and probably another
German car, ever again.....and I haven't.

The Japanese have elevated reliability to an art form. Amazingly,
Hyundai is nearly that good these days. Heck, if a company that just
a few years ago was building cars in buildings that had dirt floors
can now build a car that reliable, there's no reason on earth why
Europe and the Big 3 can't to it too.....other than that they can't be
bothered.

Similarly, now that they know how to make reliable cars, I don't see
why Lexus can't build a car that's attractive and sporty......other
than that they don't want too because too many people are buying are
buying their blandmobiles now.
--

An unreliable car is kinda like a cheatin girlfriend......once you get
burned, it's not likely that they will remain your best friend.

A car that starts up for you all the time and never breaks down....a good
ole reliable best friend...




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b22r
 
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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-15-2006 , 08:50 PM




Quote:
A couple of things..

My mom had a jag in the late 80s, maybe early 90s. She had leased
it.....it
was the most unreliable POS imaginable. An incredible amount of
electrical
problems. Half the time it would not even start (often stranding her
somewhere). She returned it to the leasing agency within 2 months. In
contrast, the relatively newjag she has now is quite nice....good ride
and
has held up nicely.

Nothing worse than an unreliable car. Nothing worse than going to start a
car and it won't....or being stranded at the side of the road. Once
bitten
twice shy. Too bad that overall for the auto biz, there is not better
quality.


ironically, their quality went WAY up when Ford took them over. They
completely re engineered their assembly process and introduced
something the Brits were totally unfamiliar with...quality control.

It's an incredible statement of just how bad your build quality is
when FORD can come along and double, maybe triple, your reliability
ratings.

LOL.....the unreliable one that she briefly leased was Brit. What she drives
now is Ford built. Yea, go figure!

You nailed it!!




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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-15-2006 , 11:29 PM




Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
Quote:
In article <1142402278.455052.195300 (AT) i39g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
"Totaltully" <bpatil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

The Lexus brand is about 22 years old now.

16, coming up on 17
16 is right. 1990 was the debut year.



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sloppybeak
 
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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-16-2006 , 05:09 AM




OL.....if anything, my dad while incredibly generous screwed up the
whole
fam damly.....both of my brothers and I can't seem to keep a car more
than a
couple of year before we get bored and want something new. Oh and re
the
sarcasm, forget that my pop had a very successful company. The key for
him
was buying wholesale (off lease) and then selling for a profit (or no
cost
for the year used). He just loved the wheeling and dealing of car
sales...and it helped that he worked out of the house. Don't hate the
plater, hate the game...LOL.
Damn, I had not
realised i betrayed my sentiment! It didnt dawn on me till you pointed
it out , that my comments about your wealthy family were tinged with
sarcasm. Let me try it again..er, lessee, Just buy a mercedes and
resell it every two years even though poor slobs like me hate you for
doing it even though we'd do the same thing, or probably worse if we
had the intellect to have judiousciosly done what you all did while
istead we were pigging out wasting our existence and therefore deserve
to be driving a '89 pickups instead of an audi TT_6's. ITs no use,
however sincere i try to be , im afraid theres still some
resentment.Purely envious spite I assure you; no way around it im
afraid-you know, class conflict and stuff.


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Xplant
 
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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-16-2006 , 02:13 PM



Actually I think they started selling in 1989. But development, tooling,
etc took some time before that.

According to "The Lexus Story" (p. 31) it was a Toyota Board meeting in
August, 1983 that made the decision to go into the luxury car market. In
reality, that was the birth of Lexus (which was then the "Circle F'
project).

Xplant

"Totaltully" <bpatil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article <1142402278.455052.195300 (AT) i39g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
"Totaltully" <bpatil (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

The Lexus brand is about 22 years old now.

16, coming up on 17

16 is right. 1990 was the debut year.




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Buckshop LeFunk
 
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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-19-2006 , 07:16 PM



Benz far superiour? Interesting. Which of each do you have?


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jdoe wrote:
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:35:33 -0500, sloppybeak
sloppybeak.245jgz (AT) no-mx (DOT) f...rdomain.com.au> wrote:



as an owner of both, I like my benz better, the lexus is a fine car if
you just want to get from here to there but for people who really
enjoy driving the benz is far superior


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Default Re: Mercedes Vs. Lexus - 03-19-2006 , 07:45 PM



22 Years? 1990 was the first year.

Lexus could make an ultra luxury car to compete with the Maybach,
Bentley and Rolls Royce, but it may not catch on - snob appeal


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Totaltully wrote:
Quote:
The Lexus brand is about 22 years old now. The Mercedes one is over a
100 years old. Thats the biggest thing going for Merc. Likewise for
BMW, Porsche and the other European brands. But quality will out.
Lexus, Infinito and Acura will do to the European brands what the
Toyota and Honda did to the big three. Might be a matter of 10 years or
more... but it will happen.

That said, what is still great about the European marquees are:
1. Great Styling
2. Performance and fun factor
3. Snob value (!!??)

Lexus styling is still seems dominated by the Toyota Design Bible -
make it timeless. Will Lexus do a spinoff like Scion - create out and
out style icons with loads of performance. Now that's a thought!


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