I know nothing of the new ES 07 trans and have will not even see one until I
visit the dealer ship next month. However I do know something about ES
driving since I have driven an 03 bought new for the last three years.

Before my 5000 mile service and joining this group I noticed the lag and
thought it odd but just dealt with it . I should note that since this was
the first Lexus product I had bought so I was not being my normal self and
driving it like an old lady . My previous car was a 92 Mustang GT with a
five speed so needless to say my foot was heavy.

After hearing others complain and learning of an update I had my dealer
flash the first trans update. I also changed my driving habits
intentionally. Having had the car almost a year I went deliberately back to
my old Mustang driving habits. No problems with hesitation and gas milage
actually got better . I can not speak for any updates that followed . I am
totally satisfied with my ES and if all go well will be driving it for many
years to come . I have watched the Trans bitching for quite sometime and
have said nothing . With that in mind having shared my experience I will
sit back and listen .

Ice - thanks for the comments. You are one of the few to have expressed
such positive results and I am glad to hear it. I have had two ES 300s
- 93 and 00 and they are both driven by my wife.

Ruffey - glad to hear you can afford to throw money away! Sure wish I
could. In reality, however, it is the total problem of having to go to
the tire guy to get new tires - takes a lot of time. And there is the
safety factor - any tire that wears out that fast can not be as safe as
one which lasts 2 or 3 times longer. And since I will pay cash for any
car, it just seems that I am shooting my self in the foot and incurring
much higher costs than I need to. Over 100,000 miles, you are talking
roughly 3 to 4 more sets of tires at $1200 per set plus the extra time
and frustration of dealing with the problem. Kinda like bying those
keen three legged jeans they used to advertise on Sat Nite Live a few
years ago. But hey! It is idiots like you that elect Bush !!!!!!!

You could hear a pin drop when the almighty "mcbrue" <mcbrue (AT) aol (DOT) com>
addressed his adoring fans with these immortal words:

good gawd, is this the first car you've ever owned? What in the WORLD
does longevity have to do with safety? They wear out sooner because
they're a softer compound. They hug the road *better* so they're
actually BETTER performing tires than high mileage tires.

Look.....two things. First, if you can't afford the upkeep on a high
end car, don't buy it. Plain and simple.

Secondly, buy a different brand of tires. There's tons of 18" tires
out there. When the OEM tires wear out, go for a less performance
oriented and more distance oriented tire. DUH.

Agreed...Tires will last based on their compound. Sure the fact that
they are Low pro makes an impact on their life versus a higher series
tire, but there ARE SO MANY CHOICES FOR YOU to choose from for 18"
tires that will last 30k+ miles if you choose the right tire for your
driving style. Tires are not that expensive in relation to how often
they need to be changed if you buy the proper tires and maintain your
vehicle, here's a tip. Buy tires from TheTireRack, not your local tire
shop. Also it takes about half an hour to have any decent shop to mount
and balance all 4 tires.

Also the LS430 engine CAN and WILL take the E-10 graded gas, so long as
its 91+ octane. What that salesman told you is bullcrap.


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NYLexSC

You could hear a pin drop when the almighty jdoe <jdoe (AT) aol (DOT) com>
addressed his adoring fans with these immortal words:


case in point. We got our tires from Costco for $10 less per tire than
Tirerack *and* it included spin balancing mounting and disposal.

Not to mention free lifetime tire rotation and puncture repair. We
also had the added benefit of blowing hundreds of needless dollars
in the store while we waited for the car. 8-P

blowing hundereds of NEEDLESS dollars.....or NEEDLESSLY blowing hundreds
of dollars
ss
I wish I had NEEDLESS dollars to blow


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NYLexSC

"NYLexSC" <NYLexSC.28u8mb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in
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I figured that if he needed them, then he wouldn't have blown them. <G>

You must've had at least few needless dollars in order to buy an SC, eh?

Those weren't needless, I don't know what I'd do without my baby girl


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NYLexSC

Tire horror stories abound. Whatever you do, stay away from Les Schwab. The
fact that they lied to me to sell me a set of tires was bad enough but when
I went to remove the rims to paint the calipers, I had to use a breaker bar
to get the lugs loose. I am used to getting tires at Costco, where they use
a torque wrench on the lug nuts. Les Schawb had their air wrenches set on
kill. At least 150 ft.lbs. At the recommended torque for the lug nuts, 73 ft
lbs, they can be removed with the supplied Lexus tire wrench. I couldn't
budge them with a long star wrench. Had to use the breaker bar. When I take
it in for the next tire rotation, they are going to hear about it.
As far as buying a Lexus goes. I bought my 2001 one year ago, I have done
exactly nothing to it except routine maintenance. (oil, etc) I have friends
who own MB, BMW and Audi's. Trips to the service department for repairs is a
way of life.
What you get when you buy a Lexus is a luxury car without the repair costs.
I have never regretted buying mine.



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