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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-10-2004 , 07:00 AM






On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:10:40 -0500, "Tiger" wrote:

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Wow.. never heard of this... must be models for third world countries.
My 115 has a Stromberg 175CD (175mm Constant Depression) carb,
mercedes fitted them to 115's with manual and auto-chokes too. My
Haynes Workshop manual for the '85-'93 W124 also has a carb section
for 124's.

This is Europe, maybe due to the Californian emissions regulations
they didn't ship carb models to the USA? The fuel metering in a carb
is far cruder than even the pretty crude mechanical injection of the
60's I think.
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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-10-2004 , 10:00 AM






On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:11:12 -0000, "Dori A Schmetterling" wrote:

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Fuel injection started during W123.
The SL's of the 1960's (Pagoda) certainly had mechanical fuel
injection fitted. As far as I am aware so did the Gullwing SL's too.
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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-10-2004 , 03:43 PM



Just Mike wrote:
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:10:40 -0500, "Tiger" wrote:
Wow.. never heard of this... must be models for third world countries.
My 115 has a Stromberg 175CD (175mm Constant Depression) carb,
mercedes fitted them to 115's with manual and auto-chokes too. My
Haynes Workshop manual for the '85-'93 W124 also has a carb section
for 124's.
There was the W124 200 with carburettor.


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Frank Kemper
 
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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-12-2004 , 04:56 AM



"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng (AT) nospam (DOT) co.uk> haute in die Tasten:

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Exactly. Fuel injection started during W123. I had a W123 200E
(after a 200D and 200..you can see how I graduated up the performance
scale...). Later I had a W124 230E 1986, like the OP's. White
paint/grey fabric.

AFAIK there was no W123 200E.

I remember the following petrol engines for the W123

200 Carb. (109 hp, I had one)
230 E (136 hp)
250 Carb. (150 hp)
280 Carb. (160 hp)
280 E (185 hp)

The 280 and 280 E engines were also available for the first series of W126
S-class

IIRC the 200 E engine was introduced in 1986 or so with the W124.

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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-12-2004 , 05:14 AM



Just Mike <mike.peterson (AT) japan (DOT) com> haute in die Tasten:

Quote:
This is Europe, maybe due to the Californian emissions regulations
they didn't ship carb models to the USA? The fuel metering in a carb
is far cruder than even the pretty crude mechanical injection of the
60's I think.

The big time for fuel injection in Germany started in the 80's when
catalytic converters were introduced to market. Soon the so called "3 way
cat" with lambda probe turned out to be the technology of choice. In order
to maintain a certain exhaust emission quality you have to make sure that
the ratio between oxygen and fuel stays exactly the same under all
circumstances. This is not possible with old school mechanical carburators.
So some manufacturers (VW) developed electronically controlled carburators,
while most other companies jumped to electronic fuel injection. If my
memory serves me right, Mercedes stopped selling petrol cars without
catalytic converter in Germany in 1986. IIRC the carburator engines with
six cylinders and 2,5 and 2,8 litres were never available in the W124,
the 2 litre 4-cylinder was fitted with electronic fuel injection about one
year after market introduction of the W124. The 2,8 litre carb. engine for
the W126 S-class was replaced with the new 2.6 litre fuel injected engine
(labeled 260SE) during the first big facelift of the W129 series. Mercedes
may have produced carb. cars after that date for remote 3rd world
countries, but the main markets (Western Europe, USA, Japan) demanded for a
similar, higher level of enviromental friendliness at that time, so there
was no big market for cars without cat.

1989 or so, Mercedes decided to throw the sign E for Einspritzung (Fuel
injection) out of the car names, because they did not sell any cars without
it. After this time, E stood for "executive class".

Frank



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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-12-2004 , 07:22 AM



My memory may be faulty, what with old age and this being about 20 yr ago.
Now I have to think of a way of verifying this... I recall the colour
(petrol) and that I had it 1984 - 86, but now you make me doubt the engine
which I thought to be 200E until I read your post...Maybe it was 'only' a
200 after all?

BTW, the 'proper' spelling is carburettor. Alternative is carburetter.
Correct American spelling is, I believe, carburetor, but might be
carburator.... ;-)
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed...rettor?view=uk

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Quote:
"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng (AT) nospam (DOT) co.uk> haute in die Tasten:

Exactly. Fuel injection started during W123. I had a W123 200E
(after a 200D and 200..you can see how I graduated up the performance
scale...). Later I had a W124 230E 1986, like the OP's. White
paint/grey fabric.


AFAIK there was no W123 200E.

I remember the following petrol engines for the W123

200 Carb. (109 hp, I had one)
230 E (136 hp)
250 Carb. (150 hp)
280 Carb. (160 hp)
280 E (185 hp)

The 280 and 280 E engines were also available for the first series of W126
S-class

IIRC the 200 E engine was introduced in 1986 or so with the W124.

Frank

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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-12-2004 , 04:20 PM



"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng (AT) nospam (DOT) co.uk> haute in die Tasten:

Quote:
BTW, the 'proper' spelling is carburettor.
Actually I thought this was the italian version, it sounds like
"tintoretto";-)

Frank

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sq1euo
 
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Default Re: MB W124, 230 E - 12-12-2004 , 04:34 PM



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Quote:
Just Mike <mike.peterson (AT) japan (DOT) com> haute in die Tasten:

This is Europe, maybe due to the Californian emissions regulations
they didn't ship carb models to the USA? The fuel metering in a carb
is far cruder than even the pretty crude mechanical injection of the
60's I think.


The big time for fuel injection in Germany started in the 80's when
catalytic converters were introduced to market. Soon the so called "3 way
cat" with lambda probe turned out to be the technology of choice. In order
to maintain a certain exhaust emission quality you have to make sure that
the ratio between oxygen and fuel stays exactly the same under all
circumstances. This is not possible with old school mechanical
carburators.
So some manufacturers (VW) developed electronically controlled
carburators,
while most other companies jumped to electronic fuel injection. If my
memory serves me right, Mercedes stopped selling petrol cars without
catalytic converter in Germany in 1986. IIRC the carburator engines with
six cylinders and 2,5 and 2,8 litres were never available in the W124,
the 2 litre 4-cylinder was fitted with electronic fuel injection about one
year after market introduction of the W124. The 2,8 litre carb. engine for
the W126 S-class was replaced with the new 2.6 litre fuel injected engine
(labeled 260SE) during the first big facelift of the W129 series. Mercedes
may have produced carb. cars after that date for remote 3rd world
countries, but the main markets (Western Europe, USA, Japan) demanded for
a
similar, higher level of enviromental friendliness at that time, so there
was no big market for cars without cat.

1989 or so, Mercedes decided to throw the sign E for Einspritzung (Fuel
injection) out of the car names, because they did not sell any cars
without
it. After this time, E stood for "executive class".

Thanks so much for infos. I think that the best motor for me is 200 D ) I
think, that I will buy a MB W201 with 2.0 diesel and automatic gear. It's
perfect team for me. Please, send me some infos about 190 D 2.0
automatic,..it's good car or not.


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