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Default Headgasket - 11-24-2006 , 04:07 PM






Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?



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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-24-2006 , 04:37 PM







"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote

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Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator end) of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque wrench set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith




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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-24-2006 , 08:39 PM



Martin wrote:
Quote:
Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


You have to put the head gasket on so that it will roll down the length
of you're penis, if it is upside down it won't work. Good luck stud.


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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-25-2006 , 01:40 AM



Keith, Thanks for the detail. I'm good down to 5), will do this this
morning. Finished it late last night, warmed it up and there is some
seepage. Hopefully the re torque this morning will sort it. Thanks again
Martin


"xx" <cowpoke (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote

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"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember
that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator end)
of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque wrench
set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem
somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith





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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-25-2006 , 02:16 PM



OK I did 5) and it was no good.
Went to the shop and got a Payen gasket.
Spent 4 hrs this afternoon doing it in the rain.........all perfect now
All ready for a trip to Malvern in the morning!!!!!
Cheers

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Keith, Thanks for the detail. I'm good down to 5), will do this this
morning. Finished it late last night, warmed it up and there is some
seepage. Hopefully the re torque this morning will sort it. Thanks again
Martin


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"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up
or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember
that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator end)
of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque wrench
set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem
somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith







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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-25-2006 , 05:42 PM



Hi, Glad to know that it all OK now. Good Mini-ing!!

Keith

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
OK I did 5) and it was no good.
Went to the shop and got a Payen gasket.
Spent 4 hrs this afternoon doing it in the rain.........all perfect now
All ready for a trip to Malvern in the morning!!!!!
Cheers

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164440458.20691.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Keith, Thanks for the detail. I'm good down to 5), will do this this
morning. Finished it late last night, warmed it up and there is some
seepage. Hopefully the re torque this morning will sort it. Thanks again
Martin


"xx" <cowpoke (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164406031.2717.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up
or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember
that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator
end)
of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make
sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten
the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque wrench
set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem
somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith









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Rob
 
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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-26-2006 , 12:40 AM



Martin wrote:
Quote:
Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Should have front stamped on it. Or some other part number which is
the top side.


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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-26-2006 , 03:34 AM



Martin,,,
What was the actual cause of the problem ??
did you have time to find out,
Fitzy

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
OK I did 5) and it was no good.
Went to the shop and got a Payen gasket.
Spent 4 hrs this afternoon doing it in the rain.........all perfect now
All ready for a trip to Malvern in the morning!!!!!
Cheers

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164440458.20691.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Keith, Thanks for the detail. I'm good down to 5), will do this this
morning. Finished it late last night, warmed it up and there is some
seepage. Hopefully the re torque this morning will sort it. Thanks again
Martin


"xx" <cowpoke (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:JJWdnaQS4-hw6frYRVnyvA (AT) bt (DOT) com...

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164406031.2717.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up
or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember
that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator end)
of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten
the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque wrench
set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem
somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith









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Martin
 
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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-27-2006 , 12:22 PM



Fitzy, yes i did 2 things different, one i took the studs out and rubbed the
block with emery cloth on a sanding block, having put greasy rags in all the
holes. 2) I used a Payen Gasket.It cost £10 but its perfect, torque all way
round half the final torque then go round again and up to full
torque.......Job done.

Got a nice walnut dash at the Malvern show...new £50

Martin
" Fitzy" <theresonlyonemini (AT) last (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Martin,,,
What was the actual cause of the problem ??
did you have time to find out,
Fitzy

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164485793.31811.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
OK I did 5) and it was no good.
Went to the shop and got a Payen gasket.
Spent 4 hrs this afternoon doing it in the rain.........all perfect now
All ready for a trip to Malvern in the morning!!!!!
Cheers

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164440458.20691.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Keith, Thanks for the detail. I'm good down to 5), will do this this
morning. Finished it late last night, warmed it up and there is some
seepage. Hopefully the re torque this morning will sort it. Thanks again
Martin


"xx" <cowpoke (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:JJWdnaQS4-hw6frYRVnyvA (AT) bt (DOT) com...

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164406031.2717.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face up
or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember
that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator
end) of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make
sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten
the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque wrench
set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem
somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith











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Fitzy
 
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Default Re: Headgasket - 11-27-2006 , 12:49 PM



I am a bit peaved, we should have been there at Malvern, we just had so
many other family things that took priority, like fitting kitchens, floor
tiles, wall tiles, and so on and so on,
Never mind,,,, roll on Bingley in January,,
glad you sorted it mate,
Fitzy


"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Fitzy, yes i did 2 things different, one i took the studs out and rubbed
the block with emery cloth on a sanding block, having put greasy rags in
all the holes. 2) I used a Payen Gasket.It cost £10 but its perfect,
torque all way round half the final torque then go round again and up to
full torque.......Job done.

Got a nice walnut dash at the Malvern show...new £50

Martin
" Fitzy" <theresonlyonemini (AT) last (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:sdmdncZXFqYxwvTYnZ2dnUVZ8smdnZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com...
Martin,,,
What was the actual cause of the problem ??
did you have time to find out,
Fitzy

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164485793.31811.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
OK I did 5) and it was no good.
Went to the shop and got a Payen gasket.
Spent 4 hrs this afternoon doing it in the rain.........all perfect now
All ready for a trip to Malvern in the morning!!!!!
Cheers

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164440458.20691.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Keith, Thanks for the detail. I'm good down to 5), will do this this
morning. Finished it late last night, warmed it up and there is some
seepage. Hopefully the re torque this morning will sort it. Thanks
again
Martin


"xx" <cowpoke (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:JJWdnaQS4-hw6frYRVnyvA (AT) bt (DOT) com...

"Martin" <nospam@ nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164406031.2717.0 (AT) proxy01 (DOT) news.clara.net...
Stupid question but here goes. Which way up does it go? Copper face
up or
down? Cant seem to get it to seal. head has been re faced
Any thoughts?


Hi, Martin,
It's been a while since I fitted a head gasket, but I seem to remember
that
you can only fit it one way. If you look at the front end (radiator
end) of
the block you will see the oil feed hole for the rocker shaft. Make
sure
that this hole is not covered when the gasket is in place.
If the gasket will not seal, 1) do not use any kind of gasket sealer.
2) Check that the tops of the
threads in the block are not raised up. If they are, clean them up
with a countersink bit.
3) make sure that you tighten
the
studs in the correct order, basically working outwards from
the centre.
4) If you have a torque
wrench set
it to 30 lb/ft and tighten, then reset it to 50lb/ft and retighten.
5)After warming the engine
up,
re-check the torque of the nuts.

If these tips do not help, you must have some distortion problem
somewhere,
either in the head or the block face.

Keith













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