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Re: mini versus bmw
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Re: mini versus bmw -
06-22-2003
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The Muffin Man wrote: The Metro didn't succeed!! People bought the mini instead. Now they don't have a choice as BMW killed the mini in favour oif the MINI. Sigh. People had a choice. They could buy a Mini or a Fiesta or a Niki. People have a choice. They can buy a MINI or a Golf or a Corolla. The Mini was not killed off by BMW. The Mini was killed off by progress, by changing automotive construction standards and by changing markets. It's a fun car, it's a great hobby, but it's not Jesus inCARnate. It is an inspired 1950s low budget design which everyone else long ago improved on and which only the British could have persisted in manufacturing with such poor quality and selling for so long. It's one thing to enjoy playing with them, but don't worship them! |
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I am quite annoyed that BMW would dare to release a replacement for the metro!! ;-) The Muffin Man |
successful name of MINI.
Taffy
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"taffy_turner" <darryl (AT) treorchy1967 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:bcvhud$baq$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... Of course not, only a Mini is a Mini! Except for a certain BWM rip off that is ;O) Taffy "The Muffin Man" <muffin.man (AT) mad (DOT) SPAMRATANDSPAMWITHBEANSscientist.com wrote in message news:3ef33b7b$1_1 (AT) mk-nntp-2 (DOT) news.uk.tiscali.com... I own and love a Metro, but it aint a mini!! The Muffin Man "taffy_turner" <darryl (AT) treorchy1967 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:bcvde6$5mc$1 (AT) newsg3 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... Well when these Bini's are more common the owners will probably go off and create their own clubs, but will classic Mini's be welcome, of course they won't, so I can only admire real Mini clubs that keep it for the Issigonis variety. The trouble with the Metro is that later models had K series engines, so quite why Chris Cheal of The National Mini Owners Club lets them into the concourse is beyond me. But I'm sorry but believe Mini clubs are for Issigonis Mini cars built from 1959 - 2000. I'm sure Metro owners could start their own thing if they wanted. Taffy "tim_lis" <tim_lis (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote in message news:Q6cIa.38000$JA5.669003 (AT) news (DOT) xtra.co.nz... all i can say is you payes your money you take your chances...be it a Metro, Bini or a Mini...I dont care what some one else has in their garage, if you really want to spend your hard earned on a hot hatch then "just do it"...because at the end of the day thats what the BINI is....I personaly wouldn't part with the funds required to own one, Id rather buy a PUG 206 GTI or WRC....for me I love the classic Mini and not because its call a Mini but because of the way it drives/handles/feels and most importantly if it won't start is usualy 1 of about 3 or 4 things thats gone wrong and I can fix it... Issi and the boys could have called it "the little shit box on wheels" and I'd still be a fan, I'll die owning one cause I was practically born owning one... Tim A very happy Mini owner for over 27 years...and yes I still have the first one I ever bought a 66 Cooper 998 and love her dealry she looks grand in my garage along side the other 5 ! "Matt" <ms.pringle (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote in message news:hEZHa.8$BX2.9318 (AT) newsfep2-gui (DOT) server.ntli.net... why are we getting so worked up? so the bmw isn't a mini, it's not as nice and i don't want one. but so what if they want to call their car a mini and turn up with them at the shows. imitation is the nicest form of flattery! it doesn't diminish our mini's, it doesn't cause us any harm all it does is get some of us worked up. bugger it. if they want to join our clubs and have their cars shown with ours ok not a problem. there's loads of different minis one more category isn't going to hurt is it? right now i've made myself as popular as a fart in a spacesuit i'll get my head under cover and wait for the fall out. |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:09:21 +1000, "Makka" makka1971 (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: shouting and swearing snipped. Please don't shout and swear. We can all do without that. Fact is, many Mini owners are still furious with BMW for desecrating the name....and probably always will be. If we can't express that anger here, where can we? Fact is, many stupid 'supporters' of the so-called 'New Mini' come here, either through ignorance or to troll, and many regulars can't resist pointing out how wrong-headed they are. If you don't want to read it, killfile the threads. Regards, David Betts davidb (AT) minilist (DOT) org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 |
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The Muffin Man wrote: BMW WILL FLOG THE FUCK OUT OF THE NAME TILL THEY NO LONGER MAKE A BUCK" Rather like the way Rover flogged the original design until they'd wrung every last quid out of it? |
alive. Rover wanted to kill it off as did it's ancestors (BL, BMC, Austin
Rover etc,) for years, but thankfully somebody (Graham Day?) at the top had
enough sence to keep it going and reinstate the Cooper name too.
For more information: www.minis.freeservers.com
Taffy
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And The Muffin Man was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: The Metro didn't succeed!! Which planet did this happen on? Sales of the Metro were the only thing keeping BL afloat for almost a decade, right up to the Honda partnership. |
the BMW was responsible for "killing" the mini. In the context in which it
was written, it happened on this planet. In the context you have placed it,
you attempt to make me look like an idiot because you haven't kept this
previous statement made by jono.
"The metro although dreadful did at least keep the mini going for some
time, you had a choice, metro or mini, people didnt like the metro bought a
mini,"
In the flow of the conversation it does actually inferr that the Metro was
responsible for keeping "BL afloat for almost a decade" although it didn't
give a strict time frame like you have done.
The Muffin Man
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I agree with that and I agree a Mini is just a car and we shouldn't idolise it. Trouble is it's the most human of cars and has the sort of incredible history most motor manufacturers (BMW included) would kill for (Yes they killed Rover for it, well the name anyway and then created another bland hatchback). But apart from all this, the real Mini as we know is fun to drive and still unique for all it's historical idiosyncrasies. Taffy "David Betts" <davidb (AT) minilist (DOT) org> wrote in message news:1cjafvk9saeseegcoja83q68ag77cb6uc7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:09:21 +1000, "Makka" makka1971 (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: shouting and swearing snipped. Please don't shout and swear. We can all do without that. Fact is, many Mini owners are still furious with BMW for desecrating the name....and probably always will be. If we can't express that anger here, where can we? Fact is, many stupid 'supporters' of the so-called 'New Mini' come here, either through ignorance or to troll, and many regulars can't resist pointing out how wrong-headed they are. If you don't want to read it, killfile the threads. Regards, David Betts davidb (AT) minilist (DOT) org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 |
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LADY"S AND GENTLEMEN FOR FUCKSAKE LETS GET OVER THIS SHIT THIS IS REALLY BORING I COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT MY MINI TAFFYS WIPER MOTOR HASSLES YARDYS YARN (WHEN HE IS HERE ) PPL WANTING TO PUT 15 INCH WHEELS ON THERE MINI AND SO ON YES I AM YELLING COS I AM REALLY OVER THIS FUCKING BICKERING SHIT THAT IS GOING ON PLEASE PPL GET A GRIP AND GET A LIFE DONT YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO TALK ABOUT IT IS DONE AND THERE IS NOT A THING ANY OF US CAN DO BMW NOW OWN THE NAME AND THAT IS GOOD AS IT GETS TAKE A BIG DOSE OF REALLITY NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE IT BMW WILL FLOG THE FUCK OUT OF THE NAME TILL THEY NO LONGER MAKE A BUCK AND THEN IT IS BYE BYE MINI MAKKA..... PLUS A BOTTLE OF JACK DANIELS "Matt" <ms.pringle (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote in message news:WJRIa.8$Nl3.3 (AT) newsfep1-gui (DOT) server.ntli.net... i see what you're saying and to a large part i agree, i mean where do you draw the line? or shall we let every car of every type join?! but as you say the chances are they will get bored sooner or later of being in our clubs and go off to form their own. so all we have to do is just ignore them like the bastard offspring they are, and wait for the day when they leave. meanwhile don't get an ulcer just enjoy driving the greatest car there is. life's too damn short to be annoyed. "taffy_turner" <darryl (AT) treorchy1967 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:bcvde6$5mc$1 (AT) newsg3 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... Well when these Bini's are more common the owners will probably go off and create their own clubs, but will classic Mini's be welcome, of course they won't, so I can only admire real Mini clubs that keep it for the Issigonis variety. The trouble with the Metro is that later models had K series engines, so quite why Chris Cheal of The National Mini Owners Club lets them into the concourse is beyond me. But I'm sorry but believe Mini clubs are for Issigonis Mini cars built from 1959 - 2000. I'm sure Metro owners could start their own thing if they wanted. Taffy "tim_lis" <tim_lis (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote in message news:Q6cIa.38000$JA5.669003 (AT) news (DOT) xtra.co.nz... all i can say is you payes your money you take your chances...be it a Metro, Bini or a Mini...I dont care what some one else has in their garage, if you really want to spend your hard earned on a hot hatch then "just do it"...because at the end of the day thats what the BINI is....I personaly wouldn't part with the funds required to own one, Id rather buy a PUG 206 GTI or WRC....for me I love the classic Mini and not because its call a Mini but because of the way it drives/handles/feels and most importantly if it won't start is usualy 1 of about 3 or 4 things thats gone wrong and I can fix it... Issi and the boys could have called it "the little shit box on wheels" and I'd still be a fan, I'll die owning one cause I was practically born owning one... Tim A very happy Mini owner for over 27 years...and yes I still have the first one I ever bought a 66 Cooper 998 and love her dealry she looks grand in my garage along side the other 5 ! "Matt" <ms.pringle (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote in message news:hEZHa.8$BX2.9318 (AT) newsfep2-gui (DOT) server.ntli.net... why are we getting so worked up? so the bmw isn't a mini, it's not as nice and i don't want one. but so what if they want to call their car a mini and turn up with them at the shows. imitation is the nicest form of flattery! it doesn't diminish our mini's, it doesn't cause us any harm all it does is get some of us worked up. bugger it. if they want to join our clubs and have their cars shown with ours ok not a problem. there's loads of different minis one more category isn't going to hurt is it? right now i've made myself as popular as a fart in a spacesuit i'll get my head under cover and wait for the fall out. |
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The same can be said about the clubman as well, but before anyone starts |
have to go away and start my own newsgroup otherwise!
Now that would be a lonely existence, I've only seen 2 other Elves and
1 Hornet on the road in the last 5 years. (not counting the odd few
you see at the shows that is). I'd have to keep crossposting myself
whinges about Leyland cancelling the Elf & Hornet and stealing all the
good bits to put on the Mk3 Mini (concealed hinges, wind up windows,
etc).
Alan :-)
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I sometimes wonder though, Rover were playing with a number of thier own proto types in the late 90's, I wonder if they had gone ahead we would have accepted it more by us in the real mini fraternaty, being made by Rover and all? Jono |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 06:09:21 +1000, "Makka" makka1971 (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: shouting and swearing snipped. Please don't shout and swear. We can all do without that. Fact is, many Mini owners are still furious with BMW for desecrating the name....and probably always will be. If we can't express that anger here, where can we? Fact is, many stupid 'supporters' of the so-called 'New Mini' come here, either through ignorance or to troll, and many regulars can't resist pointing out how wrong-headed they are. If you don't want to read it, killfile the threads. Regards, David Betts davidb (AT) minilist (DOT) org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 |
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