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Re: Which Automatic? -
04-30-2007
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Also, Corolla 1.6 auto, 60 in what about 13 or 14 seconds? Dude, my car is slow, and will do 0-60-0 quicker than that. |
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Jag, BMW, Merc. There's no point pissing about with a small car if you're not doing a lot of mileage, because the fuel savings are fuck all in the scheme of things. Get something comfy and trundle around in it... And they put proper autoboxes in that last a while. |
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"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1hxcsqi.1skgepe1a5zrcyN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk. .. Dave {>¿>} <dave (AT) dave-thomas (DOT) co.uk> wrote: I thought the A class I had was appalling. The wibbly wobbly heap of shite was dog slow and didn't do corners (or straight lines for that matter) But I bet it was better than the Astra he drove. Jeesus H, but you're a thick bastard. LOL. You have spelt Jesus incorrectly. |
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Might be an idea looking at bigger cars - may be easier to get in and out of, also bigger cars handle auto boxes a lot better. Nedd something less than 4.3 metres long, I'm restricted by my driveway. |
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Jag, BMW, Merc. There's no point pissing about with a small car if you're not doing a lot of mileage, because the fuel savings are fuck all in the scheme of things. Get something comfy and trundle around in it... And they put proper autoboxes in that last a while. Better with RWD as they seem better boxes, perhaps it is because they are more developed |
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The one thing that hasn't improved with modern engines is low rev torque - assuming size for size and normally aspirated. |
hasn't got worse either. Looking at www.rri.se a modern two litre 16V
lump kicks out about 110-130lbft in that range. Looking at carfolio.com,
a lot of two litre 8v cars from the seventies put out peak torque of
around 110-130lbft at somewhere between 2000 and 3000 rpm.
The mid range on modern cars is massively better, though. Cars with
variable valve timing or direct injection maintain almost flat torque
curves right the way from 3000 rpm to peak power at 6000+ rpm, and flat
at a level higher than the peak for many old 8V designs of similar
displacement.
Renault Clio with variable valve timing
http://www.rri.se/popup/performanceg...p?ChartsID=653
VW FSI with direct injection
http://www.rri.se/popup/performanceg...p?ChartsID=161
Honda VTEC with variable valve timing
http://www.rri.se/popup/performanceg...p?ChartsID=138
Early 16V lumps may have been less gutsy than contemporary 8V designs,
but I think a lot of that perception comes about because people seem to
recalibrate themselves in cars which pull hard at high revs. They feel
flat at low revs only in comparison to their own top end.
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But like for like cars are heavier now too. |
Like for like? Hah!
I have a '94 Volvo 940SE and a '99 VW Bora Sport.
Guess which is heavier.
Now take a current model car in the class smaller than the Bora (Polo, Fiesta,
Clio, etc.) Now guess which is heavier.
Rich
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"smiffy" <no (AT) way (DOT) com> wrote in message news:IhZYh.22$2i.2 (AT) newsfe4-gui (DOT) ntli.net... Hi, I am about to purchase my first car at the grand old age of 45 :-) Got £3,500 - £4,000 to spend. Looking for something compact, 1.6+, 5 door and MUST BE AUTOMATIC (due to a gammy left leg, using a clutch is too painful). I have only really been looking at 2 makes, the focus 1.6 (2000 - 2002) and a peugeot 206 (1.6 roland garros). Won't be doing to much in the way of mileage (weekends and every other day maybe). Could i get some opinions on the above cars, and possibly some recommendations for others to look at? Jag, BMW, Merc. There's no point pissing about with a small car if you're not doing a lot of mileage, because the fuel savings are fuck all in the scheme of things. Get something comfy and trundle around in it... And they put proper autoboxes in that last a while. |
mkiv, or.. how about a Lexus GS 300 for less than £3k?
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"Adrian" <toomany2... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:Xns9921CAC2D439Dadrianachapmanfreeis (AT) 204 (DOT) 153.245.131... Dave {ð¿ð} (d... (AT) dave-thomas (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : My Corolla 1.6 was like shit off a shovel and could out accelerate most manual cars. You have quite obviously never driven anything even vaguely brisk. Automatic wise I have. Dave |
A Toyota Corolla 1.6 auto is not, never has, and never will be an even
remotely spritely car. All variants for the last 15 years or so have a
0-60 time of about 12 seconds. That puts it in the same performance
league as a Lada Samara.
You've also evidently spent no longer behind the wheel of a Veyron
than you have behind the wheel of a Spagthorpe Bologna. If you had
genuinely driven even a remotely quick car with an autobox (I'm
thinking V8 territory here), you'd realise just how slow a 1.6 auto
Corolla is.
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