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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-16-2007 , 07:20 PM







"Paul Hubbard" <jessnet (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

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"Sla#s" <phil (AT) KNOTslatts (DOT) net> wrote

Could it be because most hydraulic systems now use aluminium washers for
banjos?

Yes, hence the spate of brake systems in VAG motors dumping brake fluid
across the road when the ally washer anodises away with the road salt
(nice).

There's a lot to be said for copper washers, but if in doubt, turn your
own.
Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have some
suitable diameter copper rod.
I doubt it's a practical suggestion for most who subscribe to this n/g.
Mike.



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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 03:38 AM







"Mike G" <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have some
suitable diameter copper rod.
I doubt it's a practical suggestion for most who subscribe to this n/g.
If the op is that much into vintage cars then they should be self sustaining
or know somebody who can do te work required. I have to maufacture to
standards parts to maintain two 600hp marine diesels. Being at least 50
years old in design terms, you have to make your own stuff due to this
stupid march towards enforced metricism.

Besides, what sort of company puts ally washers at road level where the road
salt is going to knock the bollocks out of them...........oh yes, a german
one.

Vorsprung Krap Technik I think.

PDH




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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 05:19 AM



In article <45fb3459$0$8746$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader02 (DOT) plus.net>,
Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
"Paul Hubbard" <jessnet (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Sla#s" <phil (AT) KNOTslatts (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:45fadd5f.0 (AT) entanet (DOT) ..
Could it be because most hydraulic systems now use aluminium washers
for banjos?

Yes, hence the spate of brake systems in VAG motors dumping brake
fluid across the road when the ally washer anodises away with the
road salt (nice).

There's a lot to be said for copper washers, but if in doubt, turn
your own.

Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have
some suitable diameter copper rod. I doubt it's a practical suggestion
for most who subscribe to this n/g. Mike.
It wouldn't occur to me to make washers on a lathe. I'd use sheet and
Q-Max punches. Although probably influenced by my big selection of
these.

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Brian
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 06:30 AM




"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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In article <45fb3459$0$8746$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader02 (DOT) plus.net>,
Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

"Paul Hubbard" <jessnet (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:gLDKh.2208$B37.1365 (AT) newsfe2-win (DOT) ntli.net...

"Sla#s" <phil (AT) KNOTslatts (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:45fadd5f.0 (AT) entanet (DOT) ..
Could it be because most hydraulic systems now use aluminium washers
for banjos?

Yes, hence the spate of brake systems in VAG motors dumping brake
fluid across the road when the ally washer anodises away with the
road salt (nice).

There's a lot to be said for copper washers, but if in doubt, turn
your own.

Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have
some suitable diameter copper rod. I doubt it's a practical suggestion
for most who subscribe to this n/g. Mike.

It wouldn't occur to me to make washers on a lathe. I'd use sheet and
Q-Max punches. Although probably influenced by my big selection of
these.

I would get the nearest slightly smaller ID metric one and use a fine round
file. Now pretty well everone could do this.




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Brian
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 06:33 AM



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Besides, what sort of company puts ally washers at road level where the
road
salt is going to knock the bollocks out of them...........oh yes, a german
one.

Vorsprung Krap Technik I think.

A certain Italian motorcycle manufacturer comes to mind also.
Aluminium is a lot cheaper than copper, so provided it lasts the warranty
period, there are savings to be made. What manufacturer cares what happens
later?




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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 08:55 AM




"Brian" <blecnospam (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:4ec4f0a829dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk...

There's a lot to be said for copper washers, but if in doubt, turn
your own.

Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have
some suitable diameter copper rod. I doubt it's a practical suggestion
for most who subscribe to this n/g. Mike.

It wouldn't occur to me to make washers on a lathe. I'd use sheet and
Q-Max punches. Although probably influenced by my big selection of
these.


I would get the nearest slightly smaller ID metric one and use a fine
round
file. Now pretty well everone could do this.
I have an assorted box of metric copper washers at work. It's surprising how
innapropriate they are for converting into imperial sizes. Especially to
suit 1/4" BSP and above.
Increase the bore size for one to fit, and the width of the washer can
become too narrow, because in many cases the o/d's is just not big enough.
Mike.
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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 10:09 AM




"Paul Hubbard" <jessnet (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

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"Mike G" <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have
some suitable diameter copper rod.
I doubt it's a practical suggestion for most who subscribe to this n/g.

If the op is that much into vintage cars then they should be self
sustaining or know somebody who can do te work required.
I agree, but that wasn't my point. Which was that few DIY home restorers
have access to machine tools like lathes, mills, etc. A few might have a
bench drill, but not many would have the room for anything much bigger.

I have to maufacture to
Quote:
standards parts to maintain two 600hp marine diesels. Being at least 50
years old in design terms, you have to make your own stuff due to this
stupid march towards enforced metricism.
I'm aware of that, as apart from repairing and making mould tools, in my job
I maintain about 2 dozen plastic moulding machines. From 15 to 80 tons
capacity. Plus other machines like dryers, scrap grinders etc. I often have
to make parts to keep them running, as although spares are still available
for most of them, they can be horrendously expensive. Not to mention the
lost productivity in waiting for them to arrive, which could easily
represent a loss of as much as £100 a day.

I have the key to a well equiped machine toolrom. With a lathe, pedestal
drill, universal mill, surface grinder, honing machine, arc welder, MIG
welder, etc etc. which I can use at any time I want, but I doubt that many
in this n/g are as fortunate.

Even with such facilities, as you must know. Making a small items like
copper washers yourself can be expensive if you haven't the material in
stock.
Buying a piece of suitable rod can incurr a minimum order charge as high as
£50.
Expensive if you only want to make a few washers.
Mike.



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Duncan Wood
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 11:21 AM



On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:55:21 -0000, Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
"Brian" <blecnospam (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:4ec4f0a829dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk...

There's a lot to be said for copper washers, but if in doubt, turn
your own.

Providing of course that they own or have access to a lathe, and have
some suitable diameter copper rod. I doubt it's a practical
suggestion
for most who subscribe to this n/g. Mike.

It wouldn't occur to me to make washers on a lathe. I'd use sheet and
Q-Max punches. Although probably influenced by my big selection of
these.


I would get the nearest slightly smaller ID metric one and use a fine
round
file. Now pretty well everone could do this.

I have an assorted box of metric copper washers at work. It's surprising
how innapropriate they are for converting into imperial sizes.
Especially to suit 1/4" BSP and above.
Increase the bore size for one to fit, and the width of the washer can
become too narrow, because in many cases the o/d's is just not big
enough.
Mike.



Perhaps a box of non-metric ones would help
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/copper-washer-...QQcmdZViewItem


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Ian Johnston
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 11:26 AM



On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:19:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

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It wouldn't occur to me to make washers on a lathe.
Copper can be a complete bugger to turn anyway. Or cut generally.

Ian


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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Imperial Size Copper Washers wanted - 03-17-2007 , 12:09 PM




"Ian Johnston" <ian.groups (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:19:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It wouldn't occur to me to make washers on a lathe.

Copper can be a complete bugger to turn anyway. Or cut generally.
Not the easiest of metals to machine I would agree as it tends to be sticky,
but IMO parting off is the only op that really needs care to avoid a broken
tool, or clag up. To use a technical term. :-)
Mike.



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