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mark williams
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-13-2003 , 02:43 PM






my mate had his car nicked by some tossers who proceeded to smash into 4
other cars and cause £6000 of damage and he had to claim on his insurance to
pay for said damage,no problems they paid out,oh and his car was a write
off.trouble is he lost his ncb
m.w
"DaveK" <davek (AT) solar19 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They promptly
swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist insurance
policy.

Who says the driver was drunk?
Breathalysed-arrested? Blood alcohol level?
Failed to provide sample? Prosecuted?
Evidence of being incapable through drugs/alcohol?
Why would anyone agree to just exchange details with a drunk driver who
just
rear ended them, and not call the police?
Not enough information to provide a considered response.
DaveK.






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Oliver Keating
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-13-2003 , 04:33 PM







"Mike G" <mgibbs (AT) clara (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"26ReD" <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:brfcmj$bev$1 (AT) reader01 (DOT) singnet.com.sg...
Hi,

Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They
promptly swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist
insurance policy.

The drunk's insurance company however refused to honour the
claim as it
claimed that since the driver was under the influence of
alcohol, his
insurance was invalidated and hence my friend had no right to
claim on the
drunk's policy.

Is this true ?

Can someone advise on this ?

In one sense yes. But it's not really your problem. Your claim
is against the other driver. Not his insurance co.
My advice would be to make a claim directly to the other driver.
If his insurance refuses to honour your claim when he presents
it to them, that's his problem. Your claim still stands. Maybe
he'll have to pay you himself.
Could be long winded, but providing there is no dispute as to
liability, you'll get your car paid for either way.
Mike.
No you should never try to claim *directly* off the other driver. You can
take them to court and get a ruling to be paid (with much hassle) but if the
person in question won't pay or can't afford it there really is nothing you
can do.




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R L Driver
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-13-2003 , 05:37 PM




"26ReD" <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hi,

Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They promptly
swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist insurance
policy.

The drunk's insurance company however refused to honour the claim as it
claimed that since the driver was under the influence of alcohol, his
insurance was invalidated and hence my friend had no right to claim on the
drunk's policy.

Is this true ?

Can someone advise on this ?

Insurance for third parties ( the guy who gets run into) is compulsory,
once the insurers have cashed the cheque , I dont see how they can get out
of paying up .
steve the grease




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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-13-2003 , 10:28 PM




"Oliver Keating" <oliver.keating (AT) NOSPAMPLEASE (DOT) ic.ac.uk> wrote in
message news:3fdb93af_9 (AT) athenanews (DOT) com...
Quote:
"Mike G" <mgibbs (AT) clara (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:1071345205.23339.1 (AT) eunomia (DOT) uk.clara.net...

"26ReD" <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:brfcmj$bev$1 (AT) reader01 (DOT) singnet.com.sg...
Hi,

Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car.
They
promptly swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist
insurance policy.

The drunk's insurance company however refused to honour
the
claim as it
claimed that since the driver was under the influence of
alcohol, his
insurance was invalidated and hence my friend had no right
to
claim on the
drunk's policy.

Is this true ?

Can someone advise on this ?

In one sense yes. But it's not really your problem. Your
claim
is against the other driver. Not his insurance co.
My advice would be to make a claim directly to the other
driver.
If his insurance refuses to honour your claim when he
presents
it to them, that's his problem. Your claim still stands.
Maybe
he'll have to pay you himself.
Could be long winded, but providing there is no dispute as
to
liability, you'll get your car paid for either way.
Mike.

No you should never try to claim *directly* off the other
driver. You can
take them to court and get a ruling to be paid (with much
hassle) but if the
person in question won't pay or can't afford it there really
is nothing you
can do.
You seem to forget that the guys insurance Co has already
declined the claim, but in any case a claim, technically, is
always against the other driver. In the same way as any other
claim for compensation due to an individuals negligence. The
fact that insurance Co's usually accept a claim on behalf of
their insured driver/s, just makes things initially easier, but
there is no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't make a claim
directly to another driver.
The law only says a driver must be insured for 3rd party claims.
It doesn't even say a drriver must use an insurance Co. If rich
enough they can insure themselves.
The driver can choose whether to pay out of his/her pocket, or
pass the claim to their insurer. Obviously most choose the
latter option. They have to inform them of the claim whatever
they choose to do. It's a condition in their insurance policy.
Sueing them in court would only be a last option if, for some
reason, they wouldn't or were unable to pay.
Mike.





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Pete Smith
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-14-2003 , 05:59 AM



In article <1RKCb.52428$kh4.16003 (AT) news-binary (DOT) blueyonder.co.uk>, mwbg10775
@blueyonder.co.uk says...
Quote:
m.w
"DaveK" <davek (AT) solar19 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:brfs2f$p8a$1 (AT) newsg2 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk...
Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They promptly
swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist insurance
policy.

Who says the driver was drunk?
Breathalysed-arrested? Blood alcohol level?
Failed to provide sample? Prosecuted?
Evidence of being incapable through drugs/alcohol?
Why would anyone agree to just exchange details with a drunk driver who
just
rear ended them, and not call the police?
Not enough information to provide a considered response.
DaveK.

my mate had his car nicked by some tossers who proceeded to smash into 4
other cars and cause £6000 of damage and he had to claim on his insurance to
pay for said damage,no problems they paid out,oh and his car was a write
off.trouble is he lost his ncb
Hang on - someone stole his car, and he had to claim on _his_ insurance to
pay for the damage that his car caused while someone who had stolen it was
driving?

Was this in the UK?

I thought that _I_ was insured to drive my car, with my wife as a named
driver.

That if _we_ are driving it, then _we_ are covered for damage that we cause
to our car, or to other peoples cars.

If someone else stole it, and wrecked some other cars, I'm afraid I'd point
out the bit in my policy that says "your car isn't insured if it's not
driven by the named people", and tell whoever was asking me to cover their
cars damage that I'm not liable.

Hell, even if it's being driven with permission, the other persons insurance
will only cover 3rd party claims, but any damage to our car isn't covered by
our insurance (because the driver wasn't on our policy), or by their
insurance.

Pete.

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Ian Bailey
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-14-2003 , 06:03 AM



"R L Driver" <steve.tee (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"26ReD" <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:brfcmj$bev$1 (AT) reader01 (DOT) singnet.com.sg...
Hi,

Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They promptly
swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist insurance
policy.

The drunk's insurance company however refused to honour the claim as it
claimed that since the driver was under the influence of alcohol, his
insurance was invalidated and hence my friend had no right to claim on the
drunk's policy.

Is this true ?

Can someone advise on this ?

Insurance for third parties ( the guy who gets run into) is compulsory,
once the insurers have cashed the cheque , I dont see how they can get out
of paying up .
steve the grease
Was he insured with Monty Python's Devious Insurance Company's popular
"Never Pay" policy? "Its very popular guv unless you need to make a
claim".

Ian


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26ReD
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-14-2003 , 08:39 AM




"DaveK" <davek (AT) solar19 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They promptly
swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist insurance
policy.

Who says the driver was drunk?
Breathalysed-arrested? Blood alcohol level?
Failed to provide sample? Prosecuted?
Evidence of being incapable through drugs/alcohol?
Why would anyone agree to just exchange details with a drunk driver who
just
rear ended them, and not call the police?
Not enough information to provide a considered response.
DaveK.

Police arrived at scene, did a breathalysed test and he was positive. The
driver himself admitted he had too much to drink.

The police advised us to settle this privately as the insurer's will not pay
up and the other option would be to take this drunk to court and sue him ,
which will be a lengthy affair.

At the end of the day, this matter was settled privately with the drunk
paying for 90% of the repairs.

This happened in Singapore btw....




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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-14-2003 , 09:49 AM




"R L Driver" <steve.tee (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"26ReD" <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:brfcmj$bev$1 (AT) reader01 (DOT) singnet.com.sg...
Hi,

Recently, a drunk motorist rear ended my friend's car. They
promptly
swopped
numbers and agreeded to make a claim on the drunk motorist
insurance
policy.

The drunk's insurance company however refused to honour the
claim as it
claimed that since the driver was under the influence of
alcohol, his
insurance was invalidated and hence my friend had no right
to claim on the
drunk's policy.

Is this true ?

Can someone advise on this ?

Insurance for third parties ( the guy who gets run into) is
compulsory,
once the insurers have cashed the cheque , I dont see how they
can get out
of paying up .
Quite easily if the insurance was fraudulently obtained or it's
policy conditions were not adhered to.
Taking the applicants money means very little in the above
circumstances.
Mike.





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Paul Giverin
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-14-2003 , 10:50 AM



In message <brhugb$gfl$1 (AT) mawar (DOT) singnet.com.sg>, 26ReD <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com>
writes
Quote:
Police arrived at scene, did a breathalysed test and he was positive. The
driver himself admitted he had too much to drink.

The police advised us to settle this privately as the insurer's will not pay
up and the other option would be to take this drunk to court and sue him ,
which will be a lengthy affair.

At the end of the day, this matter was settled privately with the drunk
paying for 90% of the repairs.

This happened in Singapore btw....

Perhaps you should have mentioned this in your original post because
everyone assumed it was in the UK and based their advice on that
assumption.

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Mungo \two sheds\ Toadfoot
 
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Default Re: Insurance claim rejected - Why ? - 12-14-2003 , 11:52 AM




"Paul Giverin" <paul (AT) giverin (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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In message <brhugb$gfl$1 (AT) mawar (DOT) singnet.com.sg>, 26ReD <fake (AT) fake (DOT) com
writes

This happened in Singapore btw....

Perhaps you should have mentioned this in your original post because
everyone assumed it was in the UK and based their advice on that
assumption.

I wondered about this because of a previous post of the OP's when he
mentioned he was in Singapore!

Si




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