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Default Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-17-2003 , 10:33 AM






Hi,

Tested a late 2001 C-Class C270CDi Auto. Driving felt fine, but had to keep
my foot on the brake on inclines to stop it rolling backwards (in drive,
obviously). Is this normal? Older Merc didn't do this. On the flat it
would creep slowly forwards as expected.

Also it's had two Merc dealer services, but most recent (3rd, so major)
service by the dealer selling it (unauthorised). The dealer tells me this
will not invalidate the Merc warranty as they used Merc parts - is this
correct?

Tried ringing Merc for advice but fell asleep on hold.

Cheers,



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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-18-2003 , 11:05 AM






Monkeys wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

Tested a late 2001 C-Class C270CDi Auto. Driving felt fine, but had
to keep my foot on the brake on inclines to stop it rolling backwards
(in drive, obviously). Is this normal? Older Merc didn't do this.
On the flat it would creep slowly forwards as expected.

Also it's had two Merc dealer services, but most recent (3rd, so
major) service by the dealer selling it (unauthorised). The dealer
tells me this will not invalidate the Merc warranty as they used Merc
parts - is this correct?

Tried ringing Merc for advice but fell asleep on hold.
I'm now on my third automatic (although sadly none have been Mercs!). Whilst
autos will 'creep' forward when in 'drive' on the flat, and will 'hold' the
car on a modest incline, they certainly do not stop the car from rolling
back on steeper slopes.

Kev




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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-18-2003 , 11:11 AM




"Monkeys" <monkeys (AT) monkeysonthemoon (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hi,

Tested a late 2001 C-Class C270CDi Auto. Driving felt fine, but had to
keep
my foot on the brake on inclines to stop it rolling backwards (in drive,
obviously). Is this normal? Older Merc didn't do this. On the flat it
would creep slowly forwards as expected.

Also it's had two Merc dealer services, but most recent (3rd, so major)
service by the dealer selling it (unauthorised). The dealer tells me this
will not invalidate the Merc warranty as they used Merc parts - is this
correct?

Tried ringing Merc for advice but fell asleep on hold.

Cheers,

If it only creeps slowly fowards on a flat road, its not gonna take much of
an incline to counteract the 'creep'. Unless of course the Merc is suppose
to have some sort of fancy electronic gubbins to stop this happening, in
which case you can ignore me




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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-18-2003 , 01:19 PM



In article <brsmpc$7g1$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk>,
Uno Hoo! <kevlunn (AT) spambustlunn11 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
I'm now on my third automatic (although sadly none have been Mercs!).
Whilst autos will 'creep' forward when in 'drive' on the flat, and will
'hold' the car on a modest incline, they certainly do not stop the car
from rolling back on steeper slopes.
My E39 has never rolled back on any hill, but I can't say I've tried it on
the very steepest. Just as well, given the pathetic handbrake.

But some autos *couldn't* roll back due to the action of a one way
clutch. The original BW 35 which normally started in second was one. Dunno
if this applies to any today, though.

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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-18-2003 , 02:09 PM



Dave Plowman wrote:
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In article <brsmpc$7g1$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk>,
Uno Hoo! <kevlunn (AT) spambustlunn11 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
I'm now on my third automatic (although sadly none have been Mercs!).
Whilst autos will 'creep' forward when in 'drive' on the flat, and
will 'hold' the car on a modest incline, they certainly do not stop
the car from rolling back on steeper slopes.

My E39 has never rolled back on any hill, but I can't say I've tried
it on the very steepest. Just as well, given the pathetic handbrake.

But some autos *couldn't* roll back due to the action of a one way
clutch. The original BW 35 which normally started in second was one.
Dunno if this applies to any today, though.
I bow to your superior knowledge on that Dave. I'm not personally aware of
any of today's autos that have such a device.

Kev




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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-18-2003 , 02:37 PM



"Monkeys" <monkeys (AT) monkeysonthemoon (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hi,

Tested a late 2001 C-Class C270CDi Auto. Driving felt fine, but had to
keep
my foot on the brake on inclines to stop it rolling backwards (in drive,
obviously). Is this normal? Older Merc didn't do this. On the flat it
would creep slowly forwards as expected.

Also it's had two Merc dealer services, but most recent (3rd, so major)
service by the dealer selling it (unauthorised). The dealer tells me this
will not invalidate the Merc warranty as they used Merc parts - is this
correct?

Tried ringing Merc for advice but fell asleep on hold.

I'd suppose that the transmission slips itself into neutral when stationary
for more than a few seconds to save fuel . . . how steep a gradient?


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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-18-2003 , 05:57 PM



In news:brsn1s$7539d$1 (AT) ID-166528 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de,
Carl Gibbs <cagmeister (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> mused:
Quote:
"Monkeys" <monkeys (AT) monkeysonthemoon (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:brq0g0$10p$1 (AT) titan (DOT) btinternet.com...
Hi,

Tested a late 2001 C-Class C270CDi Auto. Driving felt fine, but
had to keep my foot on the brake on inclines to stop it rolling
backwards (in drive, obviously). Is this normal? Older Merc
didn't do this. On the flat it would creep slowly forwards as
expected.

Also it's had two Merc dealer services, but most recent (3rd, so
major) service by the dealer selling it (unauthorised). The dealer
tells me this will not invalidate the Merc warranty as they used
Merc parts - is this correct?

Tried ringing Merc for advice but fell asleep on hold.

Cheers,

If it only creeps slowly fowards on a flat road, its not gonna take
much of an incline to counteract the 'creep'. Unless of course the
Merc is suppose to have some sort of fancy electronic gubbins to stop
this happening, in which case you can ignore me
Isn't there a 'hill hold' selector or somesuch on the newer Merc auto boxes?

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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-19-2003 , 02:23 AM



Quote:
I'd suppose that the transmission slips itself into neutral when
stationary
for more than a few seconds to save fuel . . . how steep a gradient?

It was quite steep, but not really steep. Put it this way, I wouldn't want
to try and drive the thing around the ramps in the local multi-storey on a
busy Saturday. Without left-foot braking anyway.

Also, it would roll back immediately after taking my foot off the
accelerator. I really felt my foot had to leap from brake->gas, gas->break
so as not to roll into anything behind. Put me right off if I was honest.

Given the poor manual box on the C-Class then a 3-series 320D it is ...
Cheaper anyway.




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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-19-2003 , 04:13 AM




"Monkeys" <monkeys (AT) monkeysonthemoon (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
I'd suppose that the transmission slips itself into neutral when
stationary
for more than a few seconds to save fuel . . . how steep a gradient?


It was quite steep, but not really steep. Put it this way, I wouldn't
want
to try and drive the thing around the ramps in the local multi-storey on a
busy Saturday. Without left-foot braking anyway.

Also, it would roll back immediately after taking my foot off the
accelerator. I really felt my foot had to leap from brake->gas,
gas->break
so as not to roll into anything behind. Put me right off if I was honest.

I would imagine that it's not supposed to do that. Just my opinion but I'd
have thought that MB would have done something to stop that happening.

Si




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Default Re: Merc C-Class Auto - Rolls backwards - 12-19-2003 , 06:08 AM



In article <bruj42$7mqgq$1 (AT) ID-74687 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de>,
Mungo \two sheds\ Toadfoot <skank (AT) skanksville (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
I would imagine that it's not supposed to do that. Just my opinion but
I'd have thought that MB would have done something to stop that
happening.
The normal 'creep' on a basic box should stop roll back on all but steep
hills. Wonder if the Merc selects neutral after idling for some time, and
this isn't working as it should?

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Dave Plowman dave.sound (AT) argonet (DOT) co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn


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