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Default oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 09-29-2009 , 03:42 PM






I had my car serviced yesterday and the engine has now been filled with
Comma oil. To confirm the grade was correct against the handbook I checked
the Comma website.

I notice they sell 4 "varieties" of 5W-30 fully synthetic. They have
"Syner-Z", "Protech", "Longlife" and the wonderfully named "Prolife". There
are also 3 varieties of FS 5W/40 plus several semi alternatives. (There's no
direct link to the page other than going via their home page
www.commaoil.com).

Not only that, but when looking up different cars with the same (diesel)
engines, there is no clear consistency.

Kia ("Syner-Z"), Hyundai ("Longlife")
Peugeot ("Protech"), Ford ("Xtech" semi), Citroen ("Dlite" - 10W/40 semi)
Fiat/Alfa ("Protech"), Vauxhall ("Syner-D" 5W/40)
VW group ("Prolife")
Mini/BMW ("Syner-Z")
Nissan ("Eurodiesel" 15W/40 semi), Renault ("Diesel PD" 5W/40 semi)

So, by how many microseconds would an engine's life be shortened if it was
given a few doses of Prolife instead of Longlife?

Looking further at Castrol, it's notable that the Nissan moves to 0W/30. And
whereas the Mini also moves to 0W/30, Kia goes up to 5W/40. Illogical.

Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 09-30-2009 , 12:49 PM






DavidR wrote:
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Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?
If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 09-30-2009 , 04:50 PM



"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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DavidR wrote:

Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?

If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.
Or manufacturer specification numbers. The oldest VW specs cover almost all
half decent oils on sale today. The newest ones are £30 a litre magic brews.

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 10-05-2009 , 06:04 PM



"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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DavidR wrote:

Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?

If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.
....other than for the fact that they say they meet certain manufacturer's
specs and the application guide then suggests something different. And then
there are the identical engines under bonnets carrying different badges.

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 10-06-2009 , 12:25 PM



DavidR wrote:
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"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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DavidR wrote:
Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?
If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.

....other than for the fact that they say they meet certain manufacturer's
specs and the application guide then suggests something different. And then
there are the identical engines under bonnets carrying different badges.
Eh?

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 10-06-2009 , 05:57 PM



"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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DavidR wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
DavidR wrote:
Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?
If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.

....other than for the fact that they say they meet certain
manufacturer's specs and the application guide then suggests something
different. And then there are the identical engines under bonnets
carrying different badges.

Eh?
.... for instance, the application guide suggests the oil poured into Citroen
is not the same as recommended for a Peugeot. Or for the Peugeot made
engines fitted in Fords. Did you not see my original post?

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 10-06-2009 , 06:34 PM



DavidR wrote:
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"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
DavidR wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
DavidR wrote:
Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the packaging?
If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.
....other than for the fact that they say they meet certain
manufacturer's specs and the application guide then suggests something
different. And then there are the identical engines under bonnets
carrying different badges.
Eh?

.... for instance, the application guide suggests the oil poured into Citroen
is not the same as recommended for a Peugeot. Or for the Peugeot made
engines fitted in Fords. Did you not see my original post?
Yes. I still see no relevance in your responses to my post:

"If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes."

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 10-07-2009 , 02:26 PM



"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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DavidR wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
DavidR wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" <nix (AT) genie (DOT) co.uk> wrote
DavidR wrote:
Is there really any difference in this stuff apart from the
packaging?

If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes.
....other than for the fact that they say they meet certain
manufacturer's specs and the application guide then suggests something
different. And then there are the identical engines under bonnets
carrying different badges.
Eh?

.... for instance, the application guide suggests the oil poured into
Citroen is not the same as recommended for a Peugeot. Or for the Peugeot
made engines fitted in Fords. Did you not see my original post?

Yes. I still see no relevance in your responses to my post:

"If they have different A B or C numbers after ACEA, yes."
Well, yes there's some guff after ACEA bit. But if there is material
difference in the product, it seems pretty immaterial to the engines.

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Default Re: oil varieties - substance or marketing? - 10-07-2009 , 05:38 PM



DavidR wrote:
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Well, yes there's some guff after ACEA bit. But if there is material
difference in the product, it seems pretty immaterial to the engines.
For a 53 vehicle, my handbook suggests A1 and A5 give better mpg, but A3
is still OK for stupidly long intervals between changes. If you are going
to change every 9,000 miles anyway, then A2 /B4 is fine. So different oils
can each be 'recommended' for the same engine, in different applications.

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