Was driving towards Liverpool at 8pm tonight, 60 mph limit road and doing
just under that, say 55 mph.

I go through the lights just as they were going red - couldn't stop safely
on the amber in the very wet conditions without going into a dangerous skid.

Didn't see the expected G*TSO flash behind me, so can I assume that the
scamera never went off? It was dark at 8pm obviously and a scamera flash
would have been obvious in my rear view mirrors.

It was like a yellow GATSO (it may have been grey, hard to say in the dark),
pointing towards the rear of my car as I went past the lights straight over
the junction.

There were no speed camera markings on the road. It looked like a GATSO,
facing direction of travel, ie rear of car as I drove past.

I've seen similar looking scameras flash when people jump red lights.

It's on here ........

www.cheshire.police.uk/traffic_cameras.shtml

and it is this one:

A550 Welsh Rd Two Mills 60mph RED LIGHT

Now, based on this ... http://www.leconcepts.com/radar/Web%...news/news7.htm

i.e. :-

"The state of the traffic signals is monitored and the loops are energised
when the red light is illuminated. If a vehicle crosses the stop line 0.9
sec after this sequence, the camera is triggered, taking two photographs.
One is taken immediately and one a second later to show the passage of the
vehicle through the signals. The date and time of the offence, together with
the time which elapses after the red light is illuminated, are recorded onto
the film."

Looks like I am OK, as definitely well within 0.9 seconds when I crossed the
line, more like 0.001 seconds!!

Any comments on this?

"Terry Maxwell FIA" <terry.maxwell (AT) royal-liver (DOT) com> wrote

You'll never know... the police could be greedy and wants money!

Hang on tight and wait for the post... if you didn't get anything, then you
got away.

Good luck.

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Tony Sutton <Tony (AT) hypertony (DOT) co.ukNOSPAM> wrote

I reckon as it didn't seem to flash he'll have gotten away with it. You
notice Gatso flashes in the daytime, you'd need to be pretty blind to miss
them at night. IMO the time allowed for going through red lights (IYSWIM)
really ought to be published, could save the odd person from skidding into a
junction as the lights change rather than going through on amber.

is " gotten" English ?


"Doki" <doki (AT) SPAMMENOTspidar (DOT) com> wrote

Charles Holder <charles (AT) bholder (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote

Yes.

gotten

(An alternative form of got, used in the USA (hehas gotten him a job) but
not now used in standard English except in certain expressions such as
ill-gotten gains. )

OK so you win.

you gotten the better of me ))


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Terry Maxwell FIA <terry.maxwell (AT) royal-liver (DOT) com> wrote:

OK. Couple of things here.

1. You were going too fast for the conditions. The limit may be 60mph,
with you doing 55mph - but if you couldn't stop in time, then you were
going too fast.

2. The camera may have an IR flash, so you possibly wouldn't notice it.

Shut up, put up and pay the fine.

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Gareth A. <gareth (AT) nospamplease-attrill (DOT) co.uk> wrote

I don't advocate jumping red lights at all, just suggest that it's perhaps
not the best thing in the world to have cameras on lights with an unknown
amount of leeway. Your average just passed driver is shit scared of getting
points because of the 6 point limit for 2 years, and is liable to be pretty
bad at controlling the car as they slide towards the junction.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:20:49 -0000, "Doki" <doki (AT) SPAMMENOTspidar (DOT) com>
wrote:

Erm, as far as I am aware there is very little defence for crossing on
red. I don't recall going through any red lights and have never had to
brake *dangerously* to avoid doing so - pretty harshly, occasionally
but even then I was probably approaching the juction a little quickly.

If the road was wet shouldn't the driver have been approaching the
junction slower, in anticipation of the lights changing?

The highway code spells it out pretty clearly - amber is not "green,
but hurry up as I'm going to change soon!"

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs01.shtml

Gareth

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It's not a Gatso IIRC but a SerCo - a Red-light camera. This grabs you going
through a red light for prosperity and penalty.

As it says there is a definite delay to stop those who CAN stop but won't
and those who cannot and can't.

HTH HAND