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Re: MOT Inspection Appeals
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Re: MOT Inspection Appeals -
11-19-2003
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BTW, I'm up to 267,000 miles, do you think I've had my moneysworth yet?  When South Yorkshire police bought all their Senators in 1992 they were replacing 400k+ models. You have a while to go yet. |
Jul '03 it's done over 7.5K.
This would mean it has had about £700-800 of fuel!
(Checks under the matress)
There went Christmas...
Lol.
Take care and i hope this is sorted soon for you Driver
Jason
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Nom (Nom (AT) Somewhere (DOT) Somewhere) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : As a non UK vehicle his car was not designed to meet our revised '93 onwards MOT emissions targets, therefore he can obtain special dispensation to have an MOT performed at the pre '93 levels. Fair enough then  Where did it appear that his car was a non-UK one? I seem to recall it being sold new in the UK, and being RHD and Vauxhall badged. That's a uniquely UK spec - Ireland gets Opel badging, and would probably have needed a cat for '93 as well, as that was an EU date, IIRC. Many countries required cats before then. Sure, IIRC, there's one or two silly little spec differences, like aerial not where it "should be" - could it have been built to plod spec then "civilianised" and registered? Makes no difference. Even an import has to meet the same UK specs, unless there's a certificate to show it can't do that. That's a loophole that won't wash, to my mind, since the same car was available with cats meeting those specs. |
not need cats, and to meet UK demand was shipped over and then plated as a
93 K.
MOT stations SHOULD be basing their test on the manufacture date of the
car, but as the plate clearly suggests 93+ this is what they use.
As I pointed out elsewhere, if a private plate was fitted to the car, the
MOT station would have to use the VIN number to work out the age of the
car and this would allow earlier figures to be used.
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As a non UK vehicle his car was not designed to meet our revised '93 onwards MOT emissions targets, therefore he can obtain special dispensation to have an MOT performed at the pre '93 levels. Where did it appear that his car was a non-UK one? I seem to recall it being sold new in the UK, and being RHD and Vauxhall badged. That's a uniquely UK spec - Ireland gets Opel badging, and would probably have needed a cat for '93 as well, as that was an EU date, IIRC. Many countries required cats before then. I recall him saying that the car was manufactured prior to 93 when it did not need cats, and to meet UK demand was shipped over and then plated as a 93 K. MOT stations SHOULD be basing their test on the manufacture date of the car, but as the plate clearly suggests 93+ this is what they use. |
the last MGBs or whatever - that had been sat new/unregistered, it would not
have been registerable after 1/1/93 without being catted.
MOT manual seems to say "first use" and "first used on or after". Not
"built" or "manufactured".
Even if it is an import, it's irrelevant. An import MUST be up to UK
standards to be registered here. Why do you think so many Jap-spec Subarus
and the like have cheap Halfrauds fog lights hung underneath them? Why does
my '66 2cv van have to have seatbelts, since they weren't needed in France
then. What about my '79 Dyane van - if it was a month newer ("first used"
11/79), it'd need a fog light here - France didn't require them until MUCH
later.
Sure, it was imported. It wasn't built here. I may have missed which market
the OP thinks it WAS built for, with RHD. Even then, the cat exemption is
only for cars which the manufacturer claims "cannot meet cat emission
limits" - which this engine can - because it was sold here meeting those
limits.
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Nom (Nom (AT) Somewhere (DOT) Somewhere) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : As a non UK vehicle his car was not designed to meet our revised '93 onwards MOT emissions targets, therefore he can obtain special dispensation to have an MOT performed at the pre '93 levels. Fair enough then Where did it appear that his car was a non-UK one? I seem to recall it being sold new in the UK, and being RHD and Vauxhall badged. That's a uniquely UK spec - Ireland gets Opel badging, and would probably have needed a cat for '93 as well, as that was an EU date, IIRC. Many countries required cats before then. |
Vauxhall and sold as a vauxhall, but which had been constructed to
continental spec, and as such didn't have a catalytic convertor.
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Sure, IIRC, there's one or two silly little spec differences, like aerial not where it "should be" - could it have been built to plod spec then "civilianised" and registered? Makes no difference. Even an import has to meet the same UK specs, unless there's a certificate to show it can't do that. That's a loophole that won't wash, to my mind, since the same car was available with cats meeting those specs. |
relevant authority, the poster had found out that if he could get a letter
confirming that the car was sold as a UK car, but wasn't constructed to UK
spec from the manufacturer, then he could have the car tested at pre-93
emission standards.
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Where did it appear that his car was a non-UK one? I seem to recall it being sold new in the UK, and being RHD and Vauxhall badged. That's a uniquely UK spec - Ireland gets Opel badging, and would probably have needed a cat for '93 as well, as that was an EU date, IIRC. Many countries required cats before then. In the original post, it was explained that the car was one imported by Vauxhall and sold as a vauxhall, but which had been constructed to continental spec, and as such didn't have a catalytic convertor. |
other RHD european market is Ireland, who most likely had compulsory cats at
the same time as us due to EU-wide regs. I'm fairly sure that no other RHD
markets farther afield - Japan, Middle East, Oz/NZ - wouldn't have had
Senators at all.
Why would this mysterious country miraculously circumvent the accepted
import and MOT regs?
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Also in the original post, it was explained that, having talked to the relevant authority, the poster had found out that if he could get a letter confirming that the car was sold as a UK car, but wasn't constructed to UK spec from the manufacturer, then he could have the car tested at pre-93 emission standards. |
actually got that letter from the manufacturer, because it needed to be
confirmed by the techies and could take weeks. Has he now?
My reading of the wording of the MOT manual - as at www.motuk.co.uk -
implies that that exemption only exists if the car *can't* be brought up to
cat emission spec - which a 24v Senator can relatively easily, because it
was sold here with cats.
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