Uno Hoo! wrote:
But 4 people could go to a reefer-selling pub in one car and three of those
people could drink or get stoned, leaving one to drive home. Just like four
friends driving to a pub for a drink.

What I am saying is that people drink alcoholic drinks for the alcohol.
Wether they're getting a slight buzz, a bit tipsy or off their face is their
personal preference, but they are choosing to inject alcohol because of its
effects. My point was that alcohol-free beers are poor sellers because the
option of having the taste without the drug is not a popular one.

You are thinking the way that you've been taught to - that legal drugs are
OK and illegal ones are not, that people who partake of the former can be
fine members of society while those who partake of the latter are criminals.
You fail to realise that the distinction is largely arbitary. In your other
post you mention the body of medical evidence showing the long term harm of
cannabis use, but you must be aware that alcohol and tobacco are both far
more harmful, yet fully legal.

What you have, my friend, is a nice little piece of double-think.

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"AndrewR" <andrew (AT) rockface (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote

Yes - indeed they could.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. I drink because I
like the taste and because I am thirsty - I do not drink for any after
effect. Believe it or not.
Well, that's your opinion but I dispute it on the grounds that I have
covered many times before. The sole point of cannabis and other illegal
drugs is to get high. Alcohol can be used in moderation purely for its taste
and without any need for intoxication. *That* is the difference and that is
my argument. You may well disagree with my and that is your prerogative.

Kev

In article <d5ig9p$eau$1 (AT) newsg4 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk>,
Uno Hoo! <kev (AT) dropthisbigfoot (DOT) com> wrote:
I just think you're fooling yourself.

People drink alcoholic drinks for the influence alcohol has on them. Just
try asking a first time drinker - like a child - whether they actually
enjoy the taste. Because they don't. It's acquired.

Plenty of non alcoholic drinks are enjoyable first time around.

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"Uno Hoo!" <kev (AT) dropthisbigfoot (DOT) com> wrote


Er - Kev, you do know that alcohol even used in moderation has effects? Not
necessarily as obvious as those obtained by drinking ten pints of lager, but
the glasses of wine served at social functions are there for more reasons
than taste, and even one will do something to all but the most hardened
drinker.
This applies to other drugs too...

clive

Gordon Hudson wrote:
Agreed.
Except that it's fun.
You know - like drinking to get pissed.
They're both drugs - they just have different effects.
Alcohol is certainly no BETTER than weed.
A lot depends on your life circumstances, as to which you choose.

Personally, I'm too scared to try pot again.
It's been over 20 years !
Why am I scared ?
Because I don't know how long I'd be phucked up for - or how it would affect
me.
With a drink, I know there won't be such a fundamental alteration of
reality.
But then, I don't really drink much either.

Uno Hoo! wrote:

Yeah, like you first drank alcohol because you thought it'd taste nice !

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Certainly I accept that in this day
and age there is a general feeling, especially amongst the young, that the
only way to enjoy yourself is to go out and get legless. I've never ascribed
to that view and still don't. I very genuinely like the taste of certain
alcoholic drinks and that is why I drink them. I certainly would not drink
them if I didn't like the taste - and as I stated previously, if someone
could come up with an alcohol free beer or wine that tasted anything like
the real stuff then I would buy it and drink it.
I agree that taste is often acquired - but I dispute that is down to the
intoxicating effect. I never used to like brussels sprouts when I was a
child and I love them now. I never used to like red wine whereas I now
prefer it to white. Tastes mature - it's nothing to do with the alcoholic
content.
I agree - but tastes mature with age. Most people begin to appreciate drier
wines rather than sweeter ones for example.

Kev

"Clive George" <clive (AT) xxxx-x (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote

Well, so you argue and I am unable to dispute it. I still maintain, however,
that there is a dramatic difference between having a glass of wine with a
meal because you enjoy the taste of the wine, and using cannabis, not
because you like the taste, but purely because you want to get high.

Kev

"Forum User" <forum_user (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Well, actually, that is exactly what I thought. In fact I thought it must be
very special indeed as only adults were legally allowed to drink it. !

Kev

Uno Hoo! wrote:
Obviously I'm poorly place to argue the whys and wherefores of your personal
alcohol consumption, but I would say it's irrelevant to the argument,
because you can not generalise from self and apply your drinking principles
to the whole of society.

Alcohol my well have a history of being a social drug and of encouraging
connoisseurs, but that is unrelated to the physiological effects of the drug
and its long-term health implications.

Basically your arguement boils down to; "Alcohol should be legal because
lots of people like it, but cannabis shouldn't be legal because I don't like
it and I don't like the idea of people taking a drug purely for its narcotic
effect".

That's a pretty poor argument, really.

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