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Re: Top Gear survey 2006 results
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Re: Top Gear survey 2006 results -
02-10-2007
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After seeing the scene in that car park I made sure that the only cars that ever went to that company were 406 GLXs, although one chap did end up in a Daewoo for a couple of weeks after he complained too much. |
"automatic low tax burden" I special ordered an auto Daewoo Lanos for him.
Two years he had to keep it.
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Pete M <pete.murray (AT) bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: In news:1htbwkh.s0yk257w8x3tN%steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk, SteveH <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wittered on forthwith; Pete M <pete.murray (AT) bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Which is a prime example of why the TG survey is a load of old bollocks. Nope, it's a prime example of people who haven't fallen into the "'prestige' cars make me look important" trap spending wisely and ending up with a decent car as a result. Although the 'cheaper' car will actually cost more as a medium to long term ownership proposition, and is a generation out of date now. Makes little sense to me. It may cost slightly more over long term at the moment, but if VW don't improve their quality issues with Passats, Golfs et al, I suspect Skoda will be the more respected brand in the next few years. People drive Skodas and are impressed, people drive Passats and aren't impressed. VW's "prestige" bollocks is beginning to backfire. There you go - it's all aboout perception, then. |
know what to expect nowadays. This morning I was driving an Audi A3 TDi. It
was a truly underwhelming experience, yet somehow slightly less irritating
than driving a Mk3 Golf.
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If a VW is average for the class, people think it's a shite performance, if a Skoda is average for the class, people think they've snapped up a cracking deal. |
considered a "prestige" brand 10 years ago. I still don't class them as
"prestige".
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But I have the latest one and couldn't be happier with it - neither could most of my colleagues - we have one in an Octavia whilst his B6 is on order - he'd have preferred to have kept his old B5.5 instead. He hates the Skoda with a passion. Because he's in the middle management envy trap. He's the guy who 10 years ago would have had a Cavalier LSi when the rest of the reps were running about in Cavalier GLSis. Which is all well and good, only he's German and only came over here about 6 months back. He had a Focus TDCI estate over there. So that's the whole envy trap thing blown out of the water. |
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OK, he may be biased 'cos he *is* German. But he's had a B6 for a month, before it was moved on to someone more senior (it was specced even higher than mine and technically in the wrong 'band' for him) - then a B5.5 Estate for a few months, before it hit the replacement mileage - and he's now in an Octavia TDI. Of the 3 cars, he reckons the B6 was by far the best, followed by the B5.5 with the Skoda a *long* way behind in 3rd. He said 'it's about as good as my Focus was in Germany - but that's not saying much'. |
with Passats is they've got suspension and steering which is heavily biased
towards doing 80 or 90 mph on motorways all day.
That's why the Skoda drives better, the Skoda is set up for the kind of
roads we get in the UK.
.. o 0 (this must be a difficult thing to explain)
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SteveH <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote: But I have the latest one and couldn't be happier with it - neither could most of my colleagues - we have one in an Octavia whilst his B6 is on order - he'd have preferred to have kept his old B5.5 instead. He hates the Skoda with a passion. The octavia is a medium hatch, not a "Cortina rival" saloon. I'd be upset about being moved from a Passat to an Octavia. |
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Mercedes 190E Auto
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Ok, I admit it, I like Renault 5s.
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The octavia is a medium hatch, not an exec saloon. |
is a medium saloon.
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I'd be upset about being moved from a Passat to an Octavia. |
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VW dealers treat customers with contempt, Skoda dealers are not like that. |
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This morning I was driving an Audi A3 TDi. It was a truly underwhelming experience |
hanger. Pre-registered.
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OK, he may be biased 'cos he *is* German. But he's had a B6 for a month, before it was moved on to someone more senior (it was specced even higher than mine and technically in the wrong 'band' for him) - then a B5.5 Estate for a few months, before it hit the replacement mileage - and he's now in an Octavia TDI. Of the 3 cars, he reckons the B6 was by far the best, followed by the B5.5 with the Skoda a *long* way behind in 3rd. He said 'it's about as good as my Focus was in Germany - but that's not saying much'. Passats aren't bad in Germany. As I said earlier in the thread, the problem with Passats is they've got suspension and steering which is heavily biased towards doing 80 or 90 mph on motorways all day. That's why the Skoda drives better, the Skoda is set up for the kind of roads we get in the UK. . o 0 (this must be a difficult thing to explain) |
My point still stands that Skoda score so highly because of brand
perception rather than because they're churning out cars significantly
better than anyone else.
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Pete M (pete.murray (AT) bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : This morning I was driving an Audi A3 TDi. It was a truly underwhelming experience There was an A3 outside my local Audi dealer today. £29,950 on the window hanger. Pre-registered. |
which I would value at somewhere around a grand. The thought of someone
paying £30k for one sends my mind boggling.
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Pete M <pete.murray (AT) bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: OK, he may be biased 'cos he *is* German. But he's had a B6 for a month, before it was moved on to someone more senior (it was specced even higher than mine and technically in the wrong 'band' for him) - then a B5.5 Estate for a few months, before it hit the replacement mileage - and he's now in an Octavia TDI. Of the 3 cars, he reckons the B6 was by far the best, followed by the B5.5 with the Skoda a *long* way behind in 3rd. He said 'it's about as good as my Focus was in Germany - but that's not saying much'. Passats aren't bad in Germany. As I said earlier in the thread, the problem with Passats is they've got suspension and steering which is heavily biased towards doing 80 or 90 mph on motorways all day. That's why the Skoda drives better, the Skoda is set up for the kind of roads we get in the UK. . o 0 (this must be a difficult thing to explain) I have some hairs need splitting here..... My point still stands that Skoda score so highly because of brand perception rather than because they're churning out cars significantly better than anyone else. |
Thing is, people who've not driven a Skoda now think of Skodas as being
pretty decent cars. They then drive a newish Skoda and find out that they
are pretty decent, buy one, get decent sales and aftersales care, the car is
reliable, handles well and is well built.
Unfortunately, VW have the /image/ of being decent cars, being reliable and
well built but my experience in the last few years has been anything but.
VW have gone off the rails, they're spending fortunes trying to make Bentley
and Bugattis instead of making Golfs and Passats that can actually finish a
journey without needing outside assistance from the RAC.
Having said that, I don't know anyone who's had an unreliable Leon or Fabia,
but the number of Golfs that break is astonishing.
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Golf GTi << a proper one.
Mercedes 190E Auto
OMF#9
Ok, I admit it, I like Renault 5s.
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There was an A3 outside my local Audi dealer today. £29,950 on the window hanger. Pre-registered. That's quite scary. The one I was driving was an "R" reg poverty spec one, which I would value at somewhere around a grand. The thought of someone paying £30k for one sends my mind boggling. |
£30k - none of 'em S3s, one each of 3.2, 2.0T, TDi. Between the three,
there's 10,000 miles on 'em. Yes, A3s. Golfs...
There's *73* used A3s listed at over £25k... up to 10 months old. You can
even pay £28k for a 2.0T with 8k miles on it.
The World Has Officially Gone Mad.
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