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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 01:51 PM






Dave Plowman (News) (dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding
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If it really is as cheap as everyone claims it is to run in town, why
don't all the car hire firms use them?
National are shouting about getting a fleet of 'em recently - and I'm sure
I saw one with an Enterprise sticker on, too.

Almost certainly going to charge a premium, too...


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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 02:14 PM







"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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In article <ixj4i.42152$Ch.11768 (AT) fe2 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
MrCheerful <nbkm57 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
I found it quite OK to drive, nothing amazing, but it isn't meant to be,
is it? I was more interested from a technical POV, but certainly it
drove in an acceptable manner, far nicer than many current cars. just
under 60mpg has been the norm. since purchase, usually one occupant
that drives quite briskly on mainly country roads. Staggering
depreciation (50 percent in under two years) when he went to ask about
a trade in, so he has decided to keep it for a lot longer, he is
considering the home rechargeable larger battery pack option from some
independent place.

I took an early one fully loaded to the north of Scotland and back driving
it pretty hard. Which you really had no option to if you wanted to keep
up. It used a deal more petrol than my BMW 528 auto would - and without
the performance. True it's good in heavy town traffic etc. But then it's
very expensive for a town car.

If it really is as cheap as everyone claims it is to run in town, why
don't all the car hire firms use them?

The only one I have experience of is the second series type.

I have seen Prius taxis, in Granada and I understand places in the USA So
some people are trying them for real work.




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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 02:25 PM



Fatboy40 wrote:
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Now this realy interests me. Does anyone know the impact of the
manufacture and ultimately disposal of the batteries that say a Prius
would use in it's lifetime compared to a well maintained frugal
diesel car ?.
I get the feeling that the diesel may well me more 'eco friendly' in
the long run ?.

More economical too. There was a test in the US that got better MPG from a
BMW 330d (*not* a slow diesel) than a Prius, for the same journey.




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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 04:12 PM



MrCheerful (nbkm57 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
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The only one I have experience of is the second series type.
The current shape one? Yeh, that's the one I test drove.

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I have seen Prius taxis, in Granada and I understand places in the USA
So some people are trying them for real work.
There's companies using them as minicabs in London, too.

Nice bit of hype, sod the practicalities. Did you actually try to sit in
the rear seat of the one you drove? Or look at the boot?

I'm not sure I can think of a worse car to use as a minicab, apart from a
Smart.


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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 04:16 PM



Dr Zoidberg (alexNOOOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk) gurgled happily,
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Now a diesel/electric hybrid would make real sense.
Apart from the major hybrid markets being US/Japan, neither of whom "do"
diesels.

OTOH, PSA have 307 & C4 HDi/Hybrids in testing, estimated availability
2010. CO2 emissions of around 90g/km.

http://snipurl.com/1lgpy


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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 06:07 PM




"Adrian" <toomany2cvs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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MrCheerful (nbkm57 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

The only one I have experience of is the second series type.

The current shape one? Yeh, that's the one I test drove.

I have seen Prius taxis, in Granada and I understand places in the USA
So some people are trying them for real work.

There's companies using them as minicabs in London, too.

Nice bit of hype, sod the practicalities. Did you actually try to sit in
the rear seat of the one you drove? Or look at the boot?

I'm not sure I can think of a worse car to use as a minicab, apart from a
Smart.
You must be thinking of a different car, I went for a twenty mile trip in
the back without a problem and the boot is enormous.




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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-21-2007 , 06:21 PM



In article <Umm4i.23240$Ro3.21576 (AT) text (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
PC Paul <urd (AT) bitrot (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
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More economical too. There was a test in the US that got better MPG from
a BMW 330d (*not* a slow diesel) than a Prius, for the same journey.
And in the UK. See the Autocar road test summaries at the back of every
copy. The Prius also only managed 22 mpg over the 500 or so miles of their
test - which of course includes getting performance figures. It should be
mentioned it was an early one - I doubt Toyota would give them another to
test. ;-)

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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-22-2007 , 02:00 AM



MrCheerful (nbkm57 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

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Nice bit of hype, sod the practicalities. Did you actually try to sit
in the rear seat of the one you drove? Or look at the boot?

I'm not sure I can think of a worse car to use as a minicab, apart
from a Smart.

You must be thinking of a different car, I went for a twenty mile trip
in the back without a problem and the boot is enormous.
It's long, it's wide. It's very shallow.
The rear seat is wide, the legroom's good. There's fuck all headroom.


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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-22-2007 , 02:22 AM



Dr Zoidberg (alexNOOOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

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Now a diesel/electric hybrid would make real sense.

Apart from the major hybrid markets being US/Japan, neither of whom
"do" diesels.

None of them "did" hybrids until recently :0)
In the case of the US, diesel cars have actively been illegal in several
states - CA and those using CA emissions - in recent years, as ULSdiesel
hasn't been available, and without it they can't pass the emissions regs.

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OTOH, PSA have 307 & C4 HDi/Hybrids in testing, estimated availability
2010. CO2 emissions of around 90g/km.

http://snipurl.com/1lgpy

Hmmmm , 83mpg.
That's not bad at all
As with any hybrid, the "official" figures are going to be far better than
the real world figures, as they have a nice source of extra "fuel"
available which isn't measurable.
Start test - full battery. Finish test - discharged battery...


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Default Re: Toyota Prius (AutoExpress) - 05-22-2007 , 02:53 AM




"Adrian" <toomany2cvs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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MrCheerful (nbkm57 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Nice bit of hype, sod the practicalities. Did you actually try to sit
in the rear seat of the one you drove? Or look at the boot?

I'm not sure I can think of a worse car to use as a minicab, apart
from a Smart.

You must be thinking of a different car, I went for a twenty mile trip
in the back without a problem and the boot is enormous.

It's long, it's wide. It's very shallow.
The rear seat is wide, the legroom's good. There's fuck all headroom.
I am only 5 foot ten, but it seemed fine, the boot has adequate space for
all the shopping I stuffed in, plus there are loads of odd cubby-holes
around the sides. It is to be expected that if you add a complex fuel tank
and a whole heap of batteries they have to go somewhere, but I reckon they
have done a good job overall, by the time they are on about the fifth
generation they will please everyone.




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