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Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters?
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Re: Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters? -
05-07-2007
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In news:MPG.20a871a2815f15598a700 (AT) news (DOT) karoo.co.uk, Conor <conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wittered on forthwith; In article <f1l437$4bv$1 (AT) energise (DOT) enta.net>, Sla#s says... The Ghost In The Machine wrote: To clarify - I am against "speed limiters" they are dangerous unless set well above the normal driving speed Really? HGVs have had speed limiters mandatorily fitted for nearly a decade and a half. HGVs have the lowest accidents per km by road user type. Explain. Laziest drivers. Unless Maureen in the canteen has extra eggs on the go the fuckers just want to spend all day seeing whos speed limiter is 0.000001 mph faster than everyone elses. How does that make them lazy? What do you think will happen when cars |
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Put it all back on the rail network and use 7.5 tonners for distribution. So how does a 7.5 tonner move a 20 tonne aluminium slab or the 5 to 6 |
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Along with the engine management system? The black market would take about 15 minutes to appear after this ridiculous idea was implemented. Yet lorries have had limiters for a decade and a half, have a FAR more |
market solution.
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I suggest you don't post about HGVs because you obviously know jack shit about them. It seemed a strange comment to me. 55 mph seems to be a very economical speed. Can you say more? A little. Because the 90KPH limit has been set by Brussels and is EU |
efficient at that speed. The lorry can be the best in the world but if
it uses 2MPG more than a market rival, it'll sell very little. Fuel is
the biggest expense for a haulier apart from wages.
However, looking at a graph of wind resistance vs speed, which is very
important in fuel economy, 53MPH is the optimum and once you start
going above that the curve sharpens exponentially - it's quite
surprising.
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HGV drivers are very well trained. That said speed limiters obviously help. I've seen comment that they cause bunching. However, setting the car limit about 10mph above the speed limit might solve that problem. |
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In article <5a8r3qF2o0dkcU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>, Iridium says... Along with the engine management system? The black market would take about 15 minutes to appear after this ridiculous idea was implemented. Yet lorries have had limiters for a decade and a half, have a FAR more vested interest in not having them and yet you'll not find a black market solution. |
disabled limiter.
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Yet lorries have had limiters for a decade and a half, have a FAR more vested interest in not having them and yet you'll not find a black market solution. Come off it Conor even you can't claim to have never seen a HGV with a disabled limiter. Only on the earlier mechanical ones. Once they were made part of the |
the higher speed by the dealers. Some unscrupulous dealerships will do
this.
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2. Lower emissions and fuel usage Un-proven - in fact the reverse has been shown as cruise controls use more fuel. |
this research ("has been shown"), you're referring to?
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%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in news:1hxpu9s.1ga30emmyr615N%% steve%@malloc.co.uk: Why should my car be limited to 150km/hr when I can legally drive at 240km/h? Because speed kills, apparently. I've never been sure quite what it kills, except for the insects on my visor or windscreen, but more learned men than me have stated it as fact, so it must be true, like man-made global warming. |
speed is higher. The faster the speed, the bigger the mess, as this
chilling ad puts it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOODBmM2Zc
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alexterrell <alexterrell (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: On 6 May, 23:58, %ste... (AT) malloc (DOT) co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: alexterrell<alexterr... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: 1. Be electronically limited to travel at no more than 140 / 150km/hr 2. Be fitted with a GPS based speed limited limiting its speed to 15km/ hr above the prevailing speed limit. Almost everyone's first reaction to this idea is strongly negative. But is seems most of the arguments against are emotional. What are the rationale arguments against? Why should my car be limited to 150km/hr when I can legally drive at 240km/h? Where is there a 240km/hr speed limit? There isn't, that's why I can drive at 240km/h legally. |
if appropriate?
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Why should my car be limited to 150km/hr when I can legally drive at 240km/h? Because speed kills, apparently. I've never been sure quite what it kills, except for the insects on my visor or windscreen, but more learned men than me have stated it as fact, so it must be true, like man-made global warming. The point is that any given accident is going to be worse when the speed is higher. The faster the speed, the bigger the mess, as this chilling ad puts it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOODBmM2Zc |
1. The speeds shown in that ad looked to be within NSL.
2. The crash wasn't caused by excessive speed. It was caused solely by the
overtaking driver swerving to avoid an animal. The manouvre wasn't exactly
sensible in the first place - especially with the oncoming car - but it was
the unnecessary swerve which was the primary cause.
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In article <f1lnpl$6fi$1 (AT) registered (DOT) motzarella.org>, Pete M says... In news:MPG.20a871a2815f15598a700 (AT) news (DOT) karoo.co.uk, Conor <conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wittered on forthwith; In article <f1l437$4bv$1 (AT) energise (DOT) enta.net>, Sla#s says... The Ghost In The Machine wrote: To clarify - I am against "speed limiters" they are dangerous unless set well above the normal driving speed Really? HGVs have had speed limiters mandatorily fitted for nearly a decade and a half. HGVs have the lowest accidents per km by road user type. Explain. Laziest drivers. Unless Maureen in the canteen has extra eggs on the go the fuckers just want to spend all day seeing whos speed limiter is 0.000001 mph faster than everyone elses. How does that make them lazy? What do you think will happen when cars get limiters? |
end of story.
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Put it all back on the rail network and use 7.5 tonners for distribution. So how does a 7.5 tonner move a 20 tonne aluminium slab or the 5 to 6 tonne reels of paper commercial printers use? |
lane playing 55.999 vs 55.998 mph banned from driving for life.
The ones who then preach about how good they are behind the wheel and how
they're the best drivers on earth can fuck off as well.
6 people killed this morning by a trucker on the M25, as it happens.
Just another example of truckers having bad road awareness and not
anticipating hazards - just like nearly every overtaking manouver the lazy
bastards make.
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