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Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters?
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Re: Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters? -
05-07-2007
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The limiters will be removed. No one is going to fit a limiter to my cars. end of story. |
unlikely event that it ever was of course.
There would be no physical device that could be removed; it would be a
software implementation. Dealing with this yourself would obviously not be
easy...
Chris
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Pete M wrote: The limiters will be removed. No one is going to fit a limiter to my cars. end of story. I think you need to consider how speed limiting would be implemented, in the unlikely event that it ever was of course. There would be no physical device that could be removed; it would be a software implementation. Dealing with this yourself would obviously not be easy... |
there's a management system but not a particularly intelligent one and it'd
be easy to replace with a megasquirt system.
There's no ABS, no traction control, no fly by wire throttle, there's not
much at all you could attach it to, there's nothing at all I can think of
that couldn't be bypassed.
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Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters? Something like: All new cars sold in the UK / Europe must either: 1. Be electronically limited to travel at no more than 140 / 150km/hr 2. Be fitted with a GPS based speed limited limiting its speed to 15km/ hr above the prevailing speed limit. |
Any limiter fitted to a car I own would probably turn out to be faulty,
knowing my luck. And if it gets rid of speed cameras and speed traps I'm all
for it
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Why set the limiter above the speed limit? Any limiter fitted to a car I own would probably turn out to be faulty, knowing my luck. |
evidence!" Holmes...
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So how would you fit software to something as simple as a Mk2 Golf GTi. Ok, there's a management system but not a particularly intelligent one and it'd be easy to replace with a megasquirt system. There's no ABS, no traction control, no fly by wire throttle, there's not much at all you could attach it to, there's nothing at all I can think of that couldn't be bypassed. |
impossible, imagne an E63AMG on carbs...
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On Sun, 6 May 2007 14:58:02 +0100, "Sla#s" <phil (AT) KNOTslatts (DOT) net wrote: 2. Lower emissions and fuel usage Un-proven - in fact the reverse has been shown as cruise controls use more fuel. Not in my experience - cruise control keeps the MPG higher. What's this research ("has been shown"), you're referring to? |
IME cruise uses *slightly* more except on very long boring roads.
You must have a lead foot.
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In news:ivI%h.6718$8E.2490 (AT) newsfe5-win (DOT) ntli.net, Chris Whelan <cawhelan (AT) prejudicentlworld (DOT) com> wittered on forthwith; Pete M wrote: The limiters will be removed. No one is going to fit a limiter to my cars. end of story. I think you need to consider how speed limiting would be implemented, in the unlikely event that it ever was of course. There would be no physical device that could be removed; it would be a software implementation. Dealing with this yourself would obviously not be easy... So how would you fit software to something as simple as a Mk2 Golf GTi. Ok, there's a management system but not a particularly intelligent one and it'd be easy to replace with a megasquirt system. There's no ABS, no traction control, no fly by wire throttle, there's not much at all you could attach it to, there's nothing at all I can think of that couldn't be bypassed. |
having full ECU control surely? After all, there can't be many cars left in
that category.
Chris
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Ed Chilada (nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Why should my car be limited to 150km/hr when I can legally drive at 240km/h? Because speed kills, apparently. I've never been sure quite what it kills, except for the insects on my visor or windscreen, but more learned men than me have stated it as fact, so it must be true, like man-made global warming. The point is that any given accident is going to be worse when the speed is higher. The faster the speed, the bigger the mess, as this chilling ad puts it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOODBmM2Zc Couple of slight drawbacks with using that in this context... 1. The speeds shown in that ad looked to be within NSL. 2. The crash wasn't caused by excessive speed. It was caused solely by the overtaking driver swerving to avoid an animal. The manouvre wasn't exactly sensible in the first place - especially with the oncoming car - but it was the unnecessary swerve which was the primary cause. |
Like it says, the point was "the faster the speed, the bigger the
mess". The same incident at a slower speed might have just resulted in
a dead dog.
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Why should my car be limited to 150km/hr when I can legally drive at 240km/h? Because speed kills, apparently. I've never been sure quite what it kills, except for the insects on my visor or windscreen, but more learned men than me have stated it as fact, so it must be true, like man-made global warming. The point is that any given accident is going to be worse when the speed is higher. The faster the speed, the bigger the mess, as this chilling ad puts it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOODBmM2Zc Couple of slight drawbacks with using that in this context... 1. The speeds shown in that ad looked to be within NSL. 2. The crash wasn't caused by excessive speed. It was caused solely by the overtaking driver swerving to avoid an animal. The manouvre wasn't exactly sensible in the first place - especially with the oncoming car - but it was the unnecessary swerve which was the primary cause. But the point of the advert wasn't about the cause of the accident. |
wouldn't have *any* effect on that collision. Fixed m/way speed limiters
would have had no effect whatsoever, nor would GPS speed-limit-specific
limiters (if they work at all).
It's completely irrelevant to the thread.
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Like it says, the point was "the faster the speed, the bigger the mess". The same incident at a slower speed might have just resulted in a dead dog. |
brain would just have resulted in a dead dog.
The same incident at the same speeds with a driver with a half a brain or
more wouldn't have seen an overtaking manouvre attempted.
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Pete M wrote: In news:ivI%h.6718$8E.2490 (AT) newsfe5-win (DOT) ntli.net, Chris Whelan <cawhelan (AT) prejudicentlworld (DOT) com> wittered on forthwith; Pete M wrote: The limiters will be removed. No one is going to fit a limiter to my cars. end of story. I think you need to consider how speed limiting would be implemented, in the unlikely event that it ever was of course. There would be no physical device that could be removed; it would be a software implementation. Dealing with this yourself would obviously not be easy... So how would you fit software to something as simple as a Mk2 Golf GTi. Ok, there's a management system but not a particularly intelligent one and it'd be easy to replace with a megasquirt system. There's no ABS, no traction control, no fly by wire throttle, there's not much at all you could attach it to, there's nothing at all I can think of that couldn't be bypassed. It's unlikely there would be a requirement to retrofit to anything not having full ECU control surely? After all, there can't be many cars left in that category. |
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