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Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters?
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Re: Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters? -
05-08-2007
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55 is a very inefficient speed for most European vehicles - particularly heavy goods ones. |
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Conor wrote: In article <4IJ%h.2006$nN5.1994 (AT) newsfe1-win (DOT) ntli.net>, Chris Whelan says... It's unlikely there would be a requirement to retrofit to anything not having full ECU control surely? Why not? They did exactly that on lorries. Throttle linkage is modified with a pivot. One part of the pivot is linked to a piston controlled by the limiter. When the speed is reached, the piston moves making any input from the throttle cable have no effect. Oh, I fully understand how it could be done. I just don't think there would be any need, given the limited amount of cars that would not be ECU-controlled by the time such legislation could be introduced. You mean like every single car that has a mechanical speedo and doesn't |
Big part of the market, that.
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Chris Whelan <cawhelan (AT) prejudicentlworld (DOT) com> wrote: This situation is totally different to when limiters were introduced on HGV's. Exactly - unless they were going to put tachos in cars and have random spot-checks of them, as in the case with lorries. You can be assured they would do spot checks. I've seen cars being |
Not only that, a car exceeding the limiter speeds would stick out like
a sore thumb and be caught by Trafpol or someone watching CCTV very
easily.
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In news:MPG.20a98ed641a6d88698a731 (AT) news (DOT) karoo.co.uk, Conor <conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wittered on forthwith; In article <f1nk2t$tof$1 (AT) registered (DOT) motzarella.org>, Pete M says... How does that make them lazy? What do you think will happen when cars get limiters? The limiters will be removed. No one is going to fit a limiter to my cars. end of story. A cry heard from every haulage company yet here we are... I know a chap who makes a huge amount of money 'decommisioning' limiters from Scanias. So there are obviously people out there who don't want their trucks limited either. Mainly Irish, as it happens. |
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| Put it all back on the rail network and use 7.5 tonners for distribution. So how does a 7.5 tonner move a 20 tonne aluminium slab or the 5 to 6 tonne reels of paper commercial printers use? I don't particularly GAF. I want the fuckers who spend all day in the middle lane playing 55.999 vs 55.998 mph banned from driving for life. Whereas I want the fuckers in cars who spend all day in the middle lane with fuck all to the left or in front of them banned for life. So do I. The ones who then preach about how good they are behind the wheel and how they're the best drivers on earth can fuck off as well. 6 people killed this morning by a trucker on the M25, as it happens. So a trucker driving a lorry in Lane 1 is responsible for the actions of the cunt who drove into the back of him? Clue: A recovery driver isn't a lorry driver. Answer :A recovery driver with a Minibus on the back *is*. Nope. |
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A recovery truck capable of carrying a Transit minibus and 6 passengers is definately above 7.5 tonnes "Maximum Authorised Mass" which means you need a HGV licence to drive it. This means it's being driven by a "Lorry driver". Doesn't make him a lorry driver. It makes him a mechanic who drives a |
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"Conor" Clue: A recovery driver isn't a lorry driver. What is he then, a gynaecologist? A mechanic. |
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On Mon, 7 May 2007 16:37:53 +0100, Conor <conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: In article <463f4467$0$8712$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader02 (DOT) plus.net>, says... Yet lorries have had limiters for a decade and a half, have a FAR more vested interest in not having them and yet you'll not find a black market solution. Come off it Conor even you can't claim to have never seen a HGV with a disabled limiter. Only on the earlier mechanical ones. Once they were made part of the engine management from Euro 2 onwards, they'll have to have been set to the higher speed by the dealers. Some unscrupulous dealerships will do this. Lorry techs must be dim. All it needs is a simple PIC chip stuck in the wire from the speed pulse generator. 16 pulses in 15 out, 58.66mph reads as 55mph, 16 pulses in 14 out 62.8mph reads as 55mph. Could even have a switch to disconnect it and re-connect the wire, easy to hide so any testing short of a complete dash loom strip wouldn't find it. Use a reed switch and have the magnet as a dash fetish - driver picks it up as they exit the cab (or pull over). This method is already used for KM to MPH converters. Though 80mph being recorded as 50mph (88mph as 55mph) could be pushing it a bit. http://www.kilburne.com//documents//3280/603853_1.pdf ROFLMFAO. Priceless as well as clueless. |
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Lorry techs must be dim. All it needs is a simple PIC chip stuck in the wire from the speed pulse generator. 16 pulses in 15 out, 58.66mph reads as 55mph, 16 pulses in 14 out 62.8mph reads as 55mph. Could even have a switch to disconnect it and re-connect the wire, easy to hide so any testing short of a complete dash loom strip wouldn't find it. Use a reed switch and have the magnet as a dash fetish - driver picks it up as they exit the cab (or pull over). You're assuming that it takes the info from the speedo. You are aware |
only thing your wonderful solution would do on any lorry built in the
last few years is fuck up the instrument panel.
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55 is a very inefficient speed for most European vehicles - particularly heavy goods ones. Too slow and boring for cars - lets fall asleep! Average speed on A roads in the UK is 45... |
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Lorry techs must be dim. All it needs is a simple PIC chip stuck in the wire from the speed pulse generator. 16 pulses in 15 out, 58.66mph reads as 55mph, 16 pulses in 14 out 62.8mph reads as 55mph. Could even have a switch to disconnect it and re-connect the wire, easy to hide so any testing short of a complete dash loom strip wouldn't find it. Use a reed switch and have the magnet as a dash fetish - driver picks it up as they exit the cab (or pull over). You're assuming that it takes the info from the speedo. You are aware that tachographs are now fed the info from the engine management? The only thing your wonderful solution would do on any lorry built in the last few years is fuck up the instrument panel. |
How does the engine management know the road speed...?
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alexterrell wrote: Should all new cars have electronic speed limiters? Something like: All new cars sold in the UK / Europe must either: 1. Be electronically limited to travel at no more than 140 / 150km/hr 2. Be fitted with a GPS based speed limited limiting its speed to 15km/ hr above the prevailing speed limit. Almost everyone's first reaction to this idea is strongly negative. But is seems most of the arguments against are emotional. What are the rationale arguments against? Method 2 above would still allow people to travel at higher speeds on German Autobahns and on racing tracks. Method 1 would be very cheap to implement. Some cars (e.g. Police Cars) could be exempt The advantages would be: 1. Fewer deaths caused by high speed accidents Un-proven assumption. Speed does not equal death. It is inappropriate speed that is dangerous. 2. Lower emissions and fuel usage Un-proven - in fact the reverse has been shown as cruise controls use more fuel. |
control uses more fuel.
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3. The promotion of greener vehicles that might not be able to achieve 100 miles per hour (e.g. electric cars will easily match conventional car for acceleration, but not top speed). Electric cars "Dust to Dust" carbon footprint is higher than conventional cars. SNIP People are more likely to be persuaded to go carbon neutral by education than by force. |
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