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Default Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 03:00 PM






I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres. Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.


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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 03:16 PM







"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote

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I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres. Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.

Some of the larger tyre sizes are cheaper as they are more common.

Would a wider tyre wear as quicly as a narrow one?




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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 04:13 PM



Paul S <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

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I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres. Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.
I'd tend to agree that they're over-tyred - the Ibiza hire car I had
last week was a basic 1.2 on steel wheels..... wearing 195/60 x 15s.

Why does a poverty supermini need bigger tyres than most hot hatches of
the 80s and 90s did?
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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 04:56 PM




"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Paul S <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres.
Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these
more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.

I'd tend to agree that they're over-tyred - the Ibiza hire car I had
last week was a basic 1.2 on steel wheels..... wearing 195/60 x 15s.

Why does a poverty supermini need bigger tyres than most hot hatches of
the 80s and 90s did?
Because wide tyres, and/or wide wheels are more fashionable.
Also because in general, wider rubber equals better grip.
Mike



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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 05:00 PM



Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

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"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Paul S <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres.
Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these
more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.

I'd tend to agree that they're over-tyred - the Ibiza hire car I had
last week was a basic 1.2 on steel wheels..... wearing 195/60 x 15s.

Why does a poverty supermini need bigger tyres than most hot hatches of
the 80s and 90s did?

Because wide tyres, and/or wide wheels are more fashionable.
Also because in general, wider rubber equals better grip.
Mike
Yes, it's a fashion thing.

A 1.2 Ibiza certainly doesn't need more rubber on the road than my 75,
ffs.
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SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #


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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 05:09 PM




"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Paul S <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres.
Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these
more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased
road
noise.

I'd tend to agree that they're over-tyred - the Ibiza hire car I had
last week was a basic 1.2 on steel wheels..... wearing 195/60 x 15s.

Why does a poverty supermini need bigger tyres than most hot hatches of
the 80s and 90s did?

Because wide tyres, and/or wide wheels are more fashionable.
Also because in general, wider rubber equals better grip.
Mike

Yes, it's a fashion thing.

A 1.2 Ibiza certainly doesn't need more rubber on the road than my 75,
ffs.
Fashion is not dictated by need. If it were, many of those that make a
living from it would be out of business.
Mike.



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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 06:52 PM



Mike G wrote:


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"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Paul S <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres.
Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these
more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased
road
noise.

I'd tend to agree that they're over-tyred - the Ibiza hire car I had
last week was a basic 1.2 on steel wheels..... wearing 195/60 x 15s.

Why does a poverty supermini need bigger tyres than most hot hatches of
the 80s and 90s did?

Because wide tyres, and/or wide wheels are more fashionable.
Also because in general, wider rubber equals better grip.
Mike

Yes, it's a fashion thing.

A 1.2 Ibiza certainly doesn't need more rubber on the road than my 75,
ffs.

Fashion is not dictated by need. If it were, many of those that make a
living from it would be out of business.
Mike.
Thanks all. You've confirmed my thoughts. Seems it's the tyre
manufacturers/retailers that are benefiting. I bet the average motorist
doesn't realise this is happening.

Incidentally, I drove a Focus 1.6 LX the other day that had 185/60 x 14's
on, which is fair enough for that size of car, but contrast that with the
185/55 x 15's on the Clio.





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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 07:29 PM




"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote

Quote:
I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres. Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.

They give better handling than a smaller tyre. Unless you're driving a
Rolls Royce I doubt you would tell the difference in noise levels between a
small tyre and a larger one.




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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-17-2007 , 07:49 PM



In article <45fc87e7$1_3 (AT) mk-nntp-2 (DOT) news.uk.tiscali.com>,
trev (AT) fpiproject (DOT) co.uk says...
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"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres. Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.

They give better handling than a smaller tyre. Unless you're driving a
Rolls Royce I doubt you would tell the difference in noise levels between a
small tyre and a larger one.
better handling? or better grip in the dry from a wider typre? (and
worse grip in the wet, unless you make up for that with a better tyre
design)

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Default Re: Are small cars over-tyred these days ? - 03-18-2007 , 09:10 AM



Trevor wrote:
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"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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I've noticed lots of small cars are now wearing big wheels and tyres. Like
Clios and Corsa's with 185/55 x 15.

Are manufacturers overdoing it a bit - the owner has to replace these more
expensive tyres eventually, and they quite often lead to increased road
noise.

They give better handling than a smaller tyre.
Not always the case & in wet / damp conditions a light car on wider
wheels can have a greater tendency to skid / aquaplane.

Quote:
Unless you're driving a
Rolls Royce I doubt you would tell the difference in noise levels between a
small tyre and a larger one.

You certainly can .... although I agree not to an unbearable extent.



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