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Valuation needed: Honda Civic Type R
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Valuation needed: Honda Civic Type R -
07-29-2006
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I thinking about venturing into the world of hot hatches and was wondering how much I should be looking to pay for the following example: 2002 Civic Type R Silver 47,000 miles Air Con Thanks. |
Can I ask why you want a Type-R? Unarguably a great car but fast becoming
the vehicle of choice for, let's face it, blokes with well paid jobs who
haven't got the balls to leave their mums and put a deposit down on a house
Tricky
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I thinking about venturing into the world of hot hatches and was wondering how much I should be looking to pay for the following example: 2002 Civic Type R Silver 47,000 miles Air Con Thanks. £7800 from a car dealer if it is in perfect condition and not a penny more. |
for that too. Let's face it, if it doesn't have a full Honda service
history and every MOT certificate, it is probably a boy racer car that has
been thrashed at the local cruise or it has been clocked via one of the
adverts in car mags. Check it isn't stolen recovered, a right-off or a
normal Civic with a boy racer special body kit.
I have driven a type R and found on average around 18mpg in the town, a vast
insurance and to get it moving you have to keep your foot down until it hits
9000rpm in each gear. At least the variable timing doesn't come in until
the oil is up to temp. There is no traction control so expect to be left
sitting with the tyres spinning, the clutch is very light and it absolutely
screamed on the way to the redline. The gearstick is in the most unusual
place ever, like a shopping bag or takeaway holder sprouting from the
dashboard.
If you just want a fast car get a turbo diesel like a Skoda Fabia which is a
VW Golf with a different badge. Save money on the purchase, insurance,
servicing, road tax and fuel. It's not that much slower and has a lot more
torque - you can always chip it for more power. Driving the Type R was a
pain sometimes, constant gear changes and having to stop to fill it up.
There are no door protectors, so don't park close to any fat people that
have to swing their doors off the hinges to get out. The main dealer was
rubbish too as they farmed out their work to a backstreet garage and charged
for hire cars.
I'm converted to turbo diesels now. Badges on cars and having one as a
status symbol tends to die off when you go past 21.
Good luck anyway.
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If you just want a fast car get a turbo diesel like a Skoda Fabia which is a VW Golf with a different badge. |
It's neither all that fast (in comparison with a Type R) nor a rebadged
Golf.
It's actually a derivative of the Polo platform.
The Octavia is based on a Golf.
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"James" <see.reply (AT) to (DOT) address.invalid> wrote in message news:4j1pkeF5ur77U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... I thinking about venturing into the world of hot hatches and was wondering how much I should be looking to pay for the following example: 2002 Civic Type R Silver 47,000 miles Air Con Thanks. £7800 from a car dealer if it is in perfect condition and not a penny more. It's nothing special. |
interior space and Honda longevity.
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I would expect 12months MOT, warranty and HPI report for that too. Let's face it, if it doesn't have a full Honda service history and every MOT certificate, it is probably a boy racer car that has been thrashed at the local cruise or it has been clocked via one of the adverts in car mags. Check it isn't stolen recovered, a right-off or a normal Civic with a boy racer special body kit. I have driven a type R and found on average around 18mpg in the town, |
have at least) drove was knackered.
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a vast insurance and to get it moving you have to keep your foot down until it hits 9000rpm in each gear. |
features. One is a lovely flat torque curve across most of the rev range.
Under 6,000 rpm it behaves like a moderately powerful 2.0 engine. Over this
engine speed it behaves like a powerful 2.0 engine.
The other good point about this engine is that it's a Honda, it goes
forever.
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At least the variable timing doesn't come in until the oil is up to temp. There is no traction control so expect to be left sitting with the tyres spinning, the clutch is very light and it absolutely screamed on the way to the redline. |
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The gearstick is in the most unusual place ever, like a shopping bag or takeaway holder sprouting from the dashboard. |
why it scared you?
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If you just want a fast car get a turbo diesel like a Skoda Fabia which is a VW Golf with a different badge. |
One, the Skoda Fabia isn't a Golf, it's more Polo based than anything else.
Two, the Fabia 1.9 TDI 100 isn't quick in anything like the scale of the
Civic Type-R.
Two, the vRS is better but it's still nothing like the Type-R. In simple
terms, it's down around 70 bhp. A good machine but don't try to sell the
vRS as a competitor to the Type-R.
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Save money on the purchase, insurance, servicing, road tax and fuel. It's not that much slower |
Civic Type-R: 0-62 in 7.1 seconds, reaches 140 mph.
Fabia vRS: 0-62 in 9.6 seconds, reaches 126 mph.
It's a good turbodiesel... but it doesn't hold a candle to the Type-R for
hot hatch stuff. The vRS is a great compromise between company car driver
wanting cheap tax and hot hatch, but it's very much tilted towards the
turbodiesel aspect.
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and has a lot more torque - you can always chip it for more power. |
influenced by gearing. It's no substitute for power.
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Driving the Type R was a pain sometimes, constant gear changes and having to stop to fill it up. |
speeds is as flexible as anything else. It may feel anemic under the higher
lift engine speed simply because it sings over 6,000 rpm...
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There are no door protectors, so don't park close to any fat people that have to swing their doors off the hinges to get out. |
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The main dealer was rubbish too as they farmed out their work to a backstreet garage and charged for hire cars. I'm converted to turbo diesels now. Badges on cars and having one as a status symbol tends to die off when you go past 21. |
a candle to the 9-3 2.0HOT.
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"James" <see.reply (AT) to (DOT) address.invalid> wrote in message news:4j1pkeF5ur77U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... I thinking about venturing into the world of hot hatches and was wondering how much I should be looking to pay for the following example: 2002 Civic Type R Silver 47,000 miles Air Con Thanks. £7800 from a car dealer if it is in perfect condition and not a penny more. It's nothing special. I would expect 12months MOT, warranty and HPI report for that too. |
over £10k for that example from a dealer.
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Let's face it, if it doesn't have a full Honda service history and every MOT certificate, it is probably a boy racer car that has been thrashed at the local cruise or it has been clocked via one of the adverts in car mags. Check it isn't stolen recovered, a right-off or a normal Civic with a boy racer special body kit. |
change the interior and engine cover as well.... These things are dead give
aways, that and the fact it's fucking quick.
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I have driven a type R and found on average around 18mpg in the town, a vast insurance and to get it moving you have to keep your foot down until it hits 9000rpm in each gear. |
you must have been driving like an utter twat, especially to say you're in
built up areas.
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At least the variable timing doesn't come in until the oil is up to temp. There is no traction control so expect to be left sitting with the tyres spinning, |
end grip, the wheels only spin if you do it on purpose, or you're really
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the clutch is very light and it absolutely screamed on the way to the redline. The gearstick is in the most unusual place ever, like a shopping bag or takeaway holder sprouting from the dashboard. |
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If you just want a fast car get a turbo diesel like a Skoda Fabia which is a VW Golf with a different badge. Save money on the purchase, insurance, servicing, road tax and fuel. It's not that much slower and has a lot more torque - you can always chip it for more power. |
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Driving the Type R was a pain sometimes, constant gear changes and having to stop to fill it up. There are no door protectors, so don't park close to any fat people that have to swing their doors off the hinges to get out. The main dealer was rubbish too as they farmed out their work to a backstreet garage and charged for hire cars. |
rev to 9,000rpm yet?
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I'm converted to turbo diesels now. Badges on cars and having one as a status symbol tends to die off when you go past 21. Good luck anyway. |
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"NEWS" <news (AT) news (DOT) net> wrote in message news:44cc24e2$1_1 (AT) mk-nntp-2 (DOT) news.uk.tiscali.com... "James" <see.reply (AT) to (DOT) address.invalid> wrote in message news:4j1pkeF5ur77U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... I thinking about venturing into the world of hot hatches and was wondering how much I should be looking to pay for the following example: 2002 Civic Type R Silver 47,000 miles Air Con Thanks. £7800 from a car dealer if it is in perfect condition and not a penny more. It's nothing special. It's nothing special? Eh? It has a great engine, a decent chassis, good interior space and Honda longevity. I would expect 12months MOT, warranty and HPI report for that too. Let's face it, if it doesn't have a full Honda service history and every MOT certificate, it is probably a boy racer car that has been thrashed at the local cruise or it has been clocked via one of the adverts in car mags. Check it isn't stolen recovered, a right-off or a normal Civic with a boy racer special body kit. I have driven a type R and found on average around 18mpg in the town, You desperately need to learn to drive properly or the one you (claim to have at least) drove was knackered. a vast insurance and to get it moving you have to keep your foot down until it hits 9000rpm in each gear. Utter bollucks. The DOHC VTEC unit in the Civic Type-R has two great features. One is a lovely flat torque curve across most of the rev range. Under 6,000 rpm it behaves like a moderately powerful 2.0 engine. Over this engine speed it behaves like a powerful 2.0 engine. The other good point about this engine is that it's a Honda, it goes forever. At least the variable timing doesn't come in until the oil is up to temp. There is no traction control so expect to be left sitting with the tyres spinning, the clutch is very light and it absolutely screamed on the way to the redline. The one you drove was knackered or you need to learn to drive it. The gearstick is in the most unusual place ever, like a shopping bag or takeaway holder sprouting from the dashboard. If you don't understand why the transmission control is here, perhaps that's why it scared you? If you just want a fast car get a turbo diesel like a Skoda Fabia which is a VW Golf with a different badge. Hahahahahahahaha! One, the Skoda Fabia isn't a Golf, it's more Polo based than anything else. Two, the Fabia 1.9 TDI 100 isn't quick in anything like the scale of the Civic Type-R. Two, the vRS is better but it's still nothing like the Type-R. In simple terms, it's down around 70 bhp. A good machine but don't try to sell the vRS as a competitor to the Type-R. Save money on the purchase, insurance, servicing, road tax and fuel. It's not that much slower It's absolutely *stacks* slower. Civic Type-R: 0-62 in 7.1 seconds, reaches 140 mph. Fabia vRS: 0-62 in 9.6 seconds, reaches 126 mph. It's a good turbodiesel... but it doesn't hold a candle to the Type-R for hot hatch stuff. The vRS is a great compromise between company car driver wanting cheap tax and hot hatch, but it's very much tilted towards the turbodiesel aspect. and has a lot more torque - you can always chip it for more power. All pretty boring if you've driven a Type-R. Torque is meaningless and is influenced by gearing. It's no substitute for power. Driving the Type R was a pain sometimes, constant gear changes and having to stop to fill it up. Utter utter drivel. You'll find that the Type-R kept at sensible engine speeds is as flexible as anything else. It may feel anemic under the higher lift engine speed simply because it sings over 6,000 rpm... There are no door protectors, so don't park close to any fat people that have to swing their doors off the hinges to get out. Irrelevance. The main dealer was rubbish too as they farmed out their work to a backstreet garage and charged for hire cars. I'm converted to turbo diesels now. Badges on cars and having one as a status symbol tends to die off when you go past 21. I love turbodiesels too, but don't pretend that my chipped Saab 9-3 can hold a candle to the 9-3 2.0HOT. -- The DervMan www.dervman.com Thanks for the replies all. After mulling things over I have decided against |
- I don't want guys in Saxos/Corsas trying to race me
- Insurance would be high even on the good deal I get working for a bank
- With the new Type R out soon I fear I would get stung on depreciation
- It was a private sale and this still makes me nervous
- I need to sort out selling my Focus which will be a hassle
I am still of the opinion they are one of the hot hatches of recent times
and still might consider it in a year when I have an extra year of NCD. With
regards to the price the seller was asking £8.4 which I would have tried to
get him down to £8K. £7.8K sounds incredibly cheap for a dealer supplied car
could you give me a real life example of a Type R available for this price?
Thanks again everyone.
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Thanks for the replies all. After mulling things over I have decided against the Type R, the reasons are: - I don't want guys in Saxos/Corsas trying to race me - Insurance would be high even on the good deal I get working for a bank - With the new Type R out soon I fear I would get stung on depreciation - It was a private sale and this still makes me nervous - I need to sort out selling my Focus which will be a hassle I am still of the opinion they are one of the hot hatches of recent times and still might consider it in a year when I have an extra year of NCD. With regards to the price the seller was asking £8.4 which I would have tried to get him down to £8K. £7.8K sounds incredibly cheap for a dealer supplied car could you give me a real life example of a Type R available for this price? Thanks again everyone. |
otherwise you'll forever be wishing you had the XYZ.
You may find the Type-S a possible compromise? 160 bhp 2.0 VTEC, five door
though, looks more subtle than the Type-R...
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£7800 from a car dealer if it is in perfect condition and not a penny more. |
2002/52 with 50k on the clock, air & FSH. And I got a decent price on
the car I replaced it with.
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I have driven a type R and found on average around 18mpg in the town, a vast insurance and to get it moving you have to keep your foot down until it hits 9000rpm in each gear. |
cuts in at 8250rpm.
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At least the variable timing doesn't come in until the oil is up to temp. There is no traction control so expect to be left sitting with the tyres spinning, the clutch is very light and it absolutely screamed on the way to the redline. |
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The gearstick is in the most unusual place ever, like a shopping bag or takeaway holder sprouting from the dashboard. |
seem to be in a stupid place. Relative to the wheel, it's in roughly the
same place you find the gear lever in a real sports car with a high
transmission tunnel.
[Diesel Skoda]
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It's not that much slower |
It has 100bhp/ton. The Civic has 166bhp/ton. It's massively slower, it
just feels pokey because what little power it has is squashed into a
3500rpm band. Basically, driven flat out it has about the same power
curve as a Type-R short-shifting to only use the revs between 4000 and
5500rpm.
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and has a lot more torque |
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In message <44cc24e2$1_1 (AT) mk-nntp-2 (DOT) news.uk.tiscali.com>, NEWS news (AT) news (DOT) net> writes £7800 from a car dealer if it is in perfect condition and not a penny more. I got more than that a few months ago when I traded mine in. That was a 2002/52 with 50k on the clock, air & FSH. And I got a decent price on the car I replaced it with. I have driven a type R and found on average around 18mpg in the town, a vast insurance and to get it moving you have to keep your foot down until it hits 9000rpm in each gear. I found it reasonable to insure, I averaged about 28mpg. The rev limiter cuts in at 8250rpm. |
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At least the variable timing doesn't come in until the oil is up to temp. There is no traction control so expect to be left sitting with the tyres spinning, the clutch is very light and it absolutely screamed on the way to the redline. The root of your insurance and fuel consumption issues becomes clear. The gearstick is in the most unusual place ever, like a shopping bag or takeaway holder sprouting from the dashboard. And once you get used to it, it makes every other hatchback's gear lever seem to be in a stupid place. Relative to the wheel, it's in roughly the same place you find the gear lever in a real sports car with a high transmission tunnel. |
seconds later I thought "This is far better". Made the 206 interior feel a
bit silly really.
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[Diesel Skoda] It's not that much slower Bwahahaha! It's a good 100kg heavier than a Type-R, and has 67bhp less. It has 100bhp/ton. The Civic has 166bhp/ton. It's massively slower, it just feels pokey because what little power it has is squashed into a 3500rpm band. Basically, driven flat out it has about the same power curve as a Type-R short-shifting to only use the revs between 4000 and 5500rpm. and has a lot more torque That's what gearboxes are for. |
gearbox is if he has one, as you have to change every second to stay in your
piddly 2,000rpm powerband. I found the Type-R pulled well at any revs, and
pulled like a wilderbeast on speed above 6,000rpm...
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