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Re: Whee! White Van Man! -
06-06-2005
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Of course I would ask how the gearbox works in a normal situation. I genuinely don't believe that I would be as bad as the driver you described after proper training. It's not ego speaking, it's just the idea that with a lot of training, as required, most people with half a brain shouldn't be that bad. You will. Everyone is/does. The reversing taught for test is of |
of wagon. In fact, apart from putting a Cat C+E on a licence, there's
not much else of use. Rest is learnt on the job at some poor sods
expense.
The guy I was speaking of has had an interesting day today. Apparently
he's destroyed the very nice looking grass at Barry Callebauts in
Chester. He managed to kill some flagstones too and was about to take
out a security camera pole. They ended up having to partly unload him
to help him out of the shit. All he had to do was turn it round in a
simple 3 point turn stylee with absolutely tons of room. Quite how he's
ended up landscaping, I have no idea and I can't even piucture where
the flagstones are.
He's quite good at driving forward though....you'd think he'd been
doing it for a couple of years.
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Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
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DanTXD wrote: "RichardK" <atari (AT) NOSPAMbtconnect (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3ggd8iFcc3ntU2 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Ben Blaney wrote: It has a three or four position gate, and there's a little button on the stick which has three positions. Thus giving 9 or 12 gears in total. It doesn't require use of the clutch, so the driver only needs it to pull away from stationary and to come to a complete halt. I was going to ask about operations, but you know, with Conor wanting to continue his dick-waving exercise on usenet and RL, I'd better not ask for any more information - just in case he does drop by with an Eaton equipped tractor unit to see how quickly I can figure it out. It can't be that hard can it :-) Well, I imagine it could be 'hard'. |
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I imagine that acclimatising to the required engine speeds for changes, the appropriate range for a given load and situation with a certain power unit and so forth, takes a few minutes even for someone wholly used to the gearbox. And I imagine that whilst it's different, anyone with the time and patience to learn, and the mechanical understanding to know what the gearbox is doing, will probably be alright with it. Knowing how it works and driving with it aren't quite related. |
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This is entirely based on assumptions about a device I haven't even seen, so they're probably miles out and I freely admit to that - it's no indication of the conclusions I'd reach once I'd actually seen the gearbox/controls or found out more information. OK...here's the catch with an Eaton Twin split and surprisingly, it has |
Apart from 1st, there's no synchromeshes on any other gear.
And the biggie which catches everybody out: The gearbox will only re-
engage drive after a gearchange once the engine revs are what they're
supposed to be for the speed and gear you are in.
Imagine driving your car and doing every gearchange without using the
clutch. Quite easy on the way up, but alot harder on the way down. On
the way down, you blip it a bit to get in neutral then blip it alot
more and if you get the timing right, the thing goes into the lower
gear. Now imagine that if you get it at all wrong, instead of crucnhing
into a gear, you end up in no drive - effectively in neutral. This is
what can happen on every split gear. And now that you've got it wrong
and ended up in neutral and slowing down, you've now got to find one of
the few gears below the one you've just changed into and manage to get
the revs right so that drive is engaged - without using the clutch. As
your speed drops further, the chance of finding the right gear
decreases until you roll to an embarrassing stop.
Most people at the start end up in neutral alot, doing alot of revving
and gearbox grating. They then progress to ending up in neutral less
but ending up with very jerky and snatchy gearchanges, mainly going
back down the gears. Eventually after a few weeks with it, they'll get
the hang of it. After a few months, they're actually proficient in it
and, especially going up hills, find its the best box there is.
Bit different to the 5 seconds to get used to a car and the few minutes
in a truck with most of the other boxes.
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Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
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But I really don't know if I could teach someone else to drive one. [0] People hated them, because of the box and the big hump in the middle of the cab. I loved mine, because I'd come from a Scania 113, which was tiny inside. I used to have an EC11. Great thing. Nobody else liked it. Meant that I |
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Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
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OK...here's the catch with an Eaton Twin split |
WHY?
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especially going up hills, find its the best box there is. |
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Conor (conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : OK...here's the catch with an Eaton Twin split OK, I understand that... but just one question... WHY? especially going up hills, find its the best box there is. Why? |
into the ratio that is appropriate
Richard
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Presumably, because you keep your foot hard on the gas, and just change into the ratio that is appropriate THen you'll end up in neutral... |
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Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
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Conor (conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : OK...here's the catch with an Eaton Twin split OK, I understand that... but just one question... WHY? I have no idea. |
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especially going up hills, find its the best box there is. Why? Once you're used to it its actually better for block changes. |
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Conor
"Be incomprehensible. If they can't understand, they can't disagree"
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