Wheel locked

#11

"FJDx" <fjdx (AT) invalidemail (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Quote:

PS. I have been looking on eBay and found 'Wolfrace' locking wheel nuts
for under £10 including p&p. Are these satisfactory? My alloys were
only factory fitted and I doubt they would appeal too much to thieves
(touch wood) so I don't want to spend too muchmore on the locks.

(sorry posting thru OE now instead of google groups so different
username)

#12

"Ray Bentos" <sp014g6464 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"davek" <davek (AT) brentmere53 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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plug of plasticine into the hole and take that to a place selling the
keys.

James Bond would be proud of you.
They are generally disc locks. Cylinder with a number of brass discs
inside
with shaped holes to allow the key through. If it's the right key it
passes
through the discs to allow spring loaded plungers to rise and fall in
the
correct order to create a clear path for the cylinder to turn.
Pushing a chunk of plasticine inside would clog it up-with no means of
retrieving it.

I've never seen any wheel locking nuts like this. Has anyone else? Most
are
just a standard wheel nut with a 'pattern' dug out of the top.

Most are, but the locking wheel nuts on my SD1 Vitesse ally wheels take the
form of a cup, or cap, that covers the the hexagon head of the special nut.
The 'cup' has a central lock with an ordinary type key. When locked onto the
nut, the 'cup' is free to rotate. Difficult to defeat, unless the 'cup' is
actually removed. The only practical way to do that IMO, would be to grind
the top of the cup until it was released from the lock. Levering it off is
impractical because it sits too low down in the wheels c/bores to allow a
lever to get underneath it.
It's the most secure design of locking wheel nut I've seen. Most of the ones
with shapes or oddly placed pins are simply deterrents to a casual thief.
Anyone with a little knowhow can easily remove such 'locking' wheel studs or
nuts without too much trouble.
Mike.

#13

FJDx (fjdx (AT) invalidemail (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Quote:

PS. I have been looking on eBay and found 'Wolfrace' locking wheel nuts
for under £10 including p&p. Are these satisfactory? My alloys were only
factory fitted and I doubt they would appeal too much to thieves (touch
wood) so I don't want to spend too muchmore on the locks.

Think about it.

You needed to remove a locking wheel nut. You needed to call the AA to do
it - therefore, locking wheel nuts present a barrier to legitimate removal.
It was relatively easy for the AA to remove it without the key - therefore,
locking wheel nuts present little security.

So why bother with the damn things?

#14

Ah if it was an original Renault lock you could've gone to a Renault
dealership and got one for a tenner. That's what I did with my old
Rover 800 (then found the key in the ashtray (8(I) DOH!

#15

When I phoned the Renault dealer I was told it could be any of a number
of combinations and they wouldn't have they key. They said they would
have to break the lock and charge £60.

#16

When I phoned the Renault dealer I was told it could be any of a number
of combinations and they wouldn't have they key. They said they would
have to break the lock and charge £60.

#17

Mike G wrote:

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"Ray Bentos" <sp014g6464 (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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"davek" <davek (AT) brentmere53 (DOT) fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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plug of plasticine into the hole and take that to a place selling
the keys.

James Bond would be proud of you.
They are generally disc locks. Cylinder with a number of brass
discs inside with shaped holes to allow the key through. If it's
the right key it passes through the discs to allow spring loaded
plungers to rise and fall in the correct order to create a clear
path for the cylinder to turn. Pushing a chunk of plasticine inside
would clog it up-with no means of retrieving it.

I've never seen any wheel locking nuts like this. Has anyone else?
Most are just a standard wheel nut with a 'pattern' dug out of the
top.

Most are, but the locking wheel nuts on my SD1 Vitesse ally wheels
take the form of a cup, or cap, that covers the the hexagon head of
the special nut. The 'cup' has a central lock with an ordinary type
key. When locked onto the nut, the 'cup' is free to rotate. Difficult
to defeat, unless the 'cup' is actually removed. The only practical
way to do that IMO, would be to grind the top of the cup until it was
released from the lock. Levering it off is impractical because it
sits too low down in the wheels c/bores to allow a lever to get
underneath it.
It's the most secure design of locking wheel nut I've seen. Most of
the ones with shapes or oddly placed pins are simply deterrents to a
casual thief. Anyone with a little knowhow can easily remove such
'locking' wheel studs or nuts without too much trouble.
Mike.

BMW also used to have them, very easy to defeat, just drill down the centre
of the cup, this destroys the lock and the cup just pops off.

--
ThePunisher
Latitude: 54.67N
Longitude: 5.96W

#18

Adrian wrote:

Quote:

You needed to remove a locking wheel nut. You needed to call the AA
to do it - therefore, locking wheel nuts present a barrier to
legitimate removal. It was relatively easy for the AA to remove it
without the key - therefore, locking wheel nuts present little
security.

So why bother with the damn things?

TBF he did mention that the AA man had to bray them with a chisel to get
them off. Thieves would probably feel less happy about doing that,
especially if your car was parked outside your house at night.

Unless you think there's a quiet way to remove locking nuts.

--
AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas)
Kawasaki ZX-6R J1, Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo
BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL)
BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR#
The speccy Geordie twat.

#19

"ThePunisher" <thepunisher (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Mike G wrote:

I've never seen any wheel locking nuts like this. Has anyone else?
Most are just a standard wheel nut with a 'pattern' dug out of the
top.

Most are, but the locking wheel nuts on my SD1 Vitesse ally wheels
take the form of a cup, or cap, that covers the the hexagon head of
the special nut. The 'cup' has a central lock with an ordinary type
key. When locked onto the nut, the 'cup' is free to rotate. Difficult
to defeat, unless the 'cup' is actually removed. The only practical
way to do that IMO, would be to grind the top of the cup until it was
released from the lock. Levering it off is impractical because it
sits too low down in the wheels c/bores to allow a lever to get
underneath it.
It's the most secure design of locking wheel nut I've seen. Most of
the ones with shapes or oddly placed pins are simply deterrents to a
casual thief. Anyone with a little knowhow can easily remove such
'locking' wheel studs or nuts without too much trouble.
Mike.

BMW also used to have them, very easy to defeat, just drill down the
centre
of the cup, this destroys the lock and the cup just pops off.

Doesn't sound like those are the same as the ones I have.
The lock and cup are free to revolve, which means you can't drill the lock
without somehow preventing the cup from revolving. Not so easy, especially
as the drill will tend to snatch as it drills the key slot.
Mike.

#20

"Mike G" <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Quote:

"ThePunisher" <thepunisher (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Mike G wrote:

I've never seen any wheel locking nuts like this. Has anyone else?
Most are just a standard wheel nut with a 'pattern' dug out of the
top.

Most are, but the locking wheel nuts on my SD1 Vitesse ally wheels
take the form of a cup, or cap, that covers the the hexagon head of
the special nut. The 'cup' has a central lock with an ordinary type
key. When locked onto the nut, the 'cup' is free to rotate. Difficult
to defeat, unless the 'cup' is actually removed. The only practical
way to do that IMO, would be to grind the top of the cup until it was
released from the lock. Levering it off is impractical because it
sits too low down in the wheels c/bores to allow a lever to get
underneath it.
It's the most secure design of locking wheel nut I've seen. Most of
the ones with shapes or oddly placed pins are simply deterrents to a
casual thief. Anyone with a little knowhow can easily remove such
'locking' wheel studs or nuts without too much trouble.
Mike.

BMW also used to have them, very easy to defeat, just drill down the
centre
of the cup, this destroys the lock and the cup just pops off.

Doesn't sound like those are the same as the ones I have.
The lock and cup are free to revolve, which means you can't drill the lock
without somehow preventing the cup from revolving. Not so easy, especially
as the drill will tend to snatch as it drills the key slot.

Should have thaught about it more before I posted. Even jamming the cup
wouldn't allow the lock to be drilled out, as the lock is free to revolve in
the cup.
The easiest way to remove it might be to grind the top of the cup to release
the lock, using something like a die grinder, or powerfile. An angle grinder
would probably damage the wheel.
They are very secure wheel locking nuts. Baught many years ago when ally SD1
Vittesse wheels were quite popular, and prone to getting nicked. I don't
suppose anyone would consider them worth stealing today.
Mike.

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