Do you think...

#11

On Oct 12, 6:38*am, "Mike Simmons" <mike... (AT) yhti (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

What!!?? *Penalize success? *Do you work for the gummint or sumpin? *When we
start penalizing excellence, we will wind up with nothing but mediocrity!

Too bad. *I'm not a Hendrick fan but when you are THAT good, you deserve to
win... plain and simple. *Remember, it is equality of opportunity, not
equality of outcome..

Amen, brother!

#12

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

Quote:

Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:hb01dg$u58$1
@aioe.org:

In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

Yep. And NASCAR's history says that whenever one brand/driver/
whatever seems to have some sort of advantage, they change the
rules to take that advantage away.

So I would not be surprised to see them make some sort of change
if Johnson wins
John

If that were really the case, wouldn't they have done it
after winning 3 in a row?

I wouldn't have been surprised if they had done. NASCAR's theme
all the way back to the 60's, back in the day of the Hemi and
the SOHC Ford, has been parity. If NASCAR thought that for some
reason the rules were giving Hendrick or Chevrolet an advantage,
they'd change the rules.

I mean, look at the Nationwide series last year. Half way thru
the year, NASCAR decides the rules give Toyota an advantage, and
they change the rule to say Toyota gets a 1.1" plate and everyone
else gets a 1.125" plate.

So, if Johnson wins, or Martin, or Stewart, or Gordon; which
would be 4 in a row for Hendrick/Chevy, I wouldn't be at all
surprised to see a rule change.

John

I would be absolutely shocked if Nascar changed the rules to Chevy's
disadvantage.

#13

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:09:13 CST, "armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in <ZbSdna0mZ9LI0EnXnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com>:

Quote:

I would be absolutely shocked if Nascar changed the rules to Chevy's
disadvantage.

Me, too.

Seems to me that the Chevy teams have simply done a
better job than Ford in terms of doing what it takes
to win the Cup. I'm amazed that Roush has struggled
so much this year after having a fairly good year
last year with Edwards. I'd love to know what makes
the difference--but I don't expect to find out any
time soon. Trade secrets are involved.

If my boys are going to win, they just have to spend
more money more wisely and figger out how to go faster
on the track. That's racin'.

Marty
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#14

"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news:ZbSdna0mZ9LI0EnXnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com:

Quote:

I would be absolutely shocked if Nascar changed the rules to Chevy's
disadvantage.

LOL. It's true, tho, that Rick Hendrick seems to have managed
to stay on much better terms with NASCAR's brass than Jack
Roush, or old time owners like Jr Johnson, Bud Moore, or Smokey
Yunick ever managed to.

John

#15

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

Quote:

Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:hb01dg$u58$1
@aioe.org:

In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

Yep. And NASCAR's history says that whenever one brand/driver/
whatever seems to have some sort of advantage, they change the
rules to take that advantage away.

So I would not be surprised to see them make some sort of change
if Johnson wins
John

If that were really the case, wouldn't they have done it
after winning 3 in a row?

I wouldn't have been surprised if they had done. NASCAR's theme
all the way back to the 60's, back in the day of the Hemi and
the SOHC Ford, has been parity. If NASCAR thought that for some
reason the rules were giving Hendrick or Chevrolet an advantage,
they'd change the rules.

I mean, look at the Nationwide series last year. Half way thru
the year, NASCAR decides the rules give Toyota an advantage, and
they change the rule to say Toyota gets a 1.1" plate and everyone
else gets a 1.125" plate.

So, if Johnson wins, or Martin, or Stewart, or Gordon; which
would be 4 in a row for Hendrick/Chevy, I wouldn't be at all
surprised to see a rule change.

John

After HMS won 4 inarow from '95 thru '98, there weren't any rule changes
except for wheel & hood tethers.
CRU

#16

Quote:

After HMS won 4 inarow from '95 thru '98, there weren't any rule changes
except for wheel & hood tethers.
CRU

Hey Cru - long time no see. I'm not sure, but I think there were rules
changes back then. Ford got some head approvals, and Chevy was denied
changes. Ford got some body changes - in fact the entire Thunderbird body
was radically different from what Chevy had to hold to, with those straight
sides. Then there were nose changes. There was quite a bit of crying over
all of the changes that Ford got and Chevy didn't. The entire SB2 approval
process was another example of rules changes that seemed quite biased at the
time.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net

#17

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote in
news:4fbe8$4ad4ebce$471fb983$31671 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET:

Quote:

After HMS won 4 inarow from '95 thru '98, there weren't any rule
changes except for wheel & hood tethers.
CRU

Hey Cru - long time no see. I'm not sure, but I think there were
rules changes back then. Ford got some head approvals, and Chevy was
denied changes. Ford got some body changes - in fact the entire
Thunderbird body was radically different from what Chevy had to hold
to, with those straight sides. Then there were nose changes. There
was quite a bit of crying over all of the changes that Ford got and
Chevy didn't. The entire SB2 approval process was another example of
rules changes that seemed quite biased at the time.

Wasn't that the era when it seemed NASCAR was changing the spoiler
size by 1/8th inch almost every week? That was going overboard in
the name of parity, and it must have driven the crews nuts - not
knowing until a few days before the race how to complete the body.

Back then the DTM (German touring cars) had a much better parity
rule - when a car won a race, it had weight added (25lbs, I think
it was, or maybe 25kg, being Germany). Win again, get another
weight addition. If one team got an advantage, after two or three
races it would be cancelled out.

That was a fair way of doing it, because it was written in the rules,
and known by everyone in advance. The NASCAR way in the 90's, of
making up a new regulation every week or two with no notice, was not
really fair.

John

#18

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

Quote:

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote in
news:4fbe8$4ad4ebce$471fb983$31671 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET:

After HMS won 4 inarow from '95 thru '98, there weren't any rule
changes except for wheel & hood tethers.
CRU

Hey Cru - long time no see. I'm not sure, but I think there were
rules changes back then. Ford got some head approvals, and Chevy was
denied changes. Ford got some body changes - in fact the entire
Thunderbird body was radically different from what Chevy had to hold
to, with those straight sides. Then there were nose changes. There
was quite a bit of crying over all of the changes that Ford got and
Chevy didn't. The entire SB2 approval process was another example of
rules changes that seemed quite biased at the time.

Wasn't that the era when it seemed NASCAR was changing the spoiler
size by 1/8th inch almost every week? That was going overboard in
the name of parity, and it must have driven the crews nuts - not
knowing until a few days before the race how to complete the body.

Back then the DTM (German touring cars) had a much better parity
rule - when a car won a race, it had weight added (25lbs, I think
it was, or maybe 25kg, being Germany). Win again, get another
weight addition. If one team got an advantage, after two or three
races it would be cancelled out.

That was a fair way of doing it, because it was written in the rules,
and known by everyone in advance. The NASCAR way in the 90's, of
making up a new regulation every week or two with no notice, was not
really fair.

John

But, NASCAR was following the Golden Rule.... "them that has the gold...
makes the rules..."

;^)

Mike

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#19

"Mike Simmons" <mikesim (AT) yhti (DOT) net> wrote in
news:PK6dnTDIT5uih0jXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d (AT) posted (DOT) yhti:

Quote:

But, NASCAR was following the Golden Rule.... "them that has the gold...
makes the rules..."

Yeah, but they eventually figured out that all they were doing
was wearing themselves out, without making anyone else happy.

To their credit, in recent years they have pretty much stuck
with the idea that the rules at the start of the season are
going to be the rules for the whole season. Even when the
rules aren't perfect, that works better for everyone.

John

#20

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

After HMS won 4 inarow from '95 thru '98, there weren't any rule changes
except for wheel & hood tethers.
CRU

Hey Cru - long time no see. I'm not sure, but I think there were rules changes back
then. Ford got some head approvals, and Chevy was denied changes. Ford got some body
changes - in fact the entire Thunderbird body was radically different from what Chevy
had to hold to, with those straight sides. Then there were nose changes. There was
quite a bit of crying over all of the changes that Ford got and Chevy didn't. The
entire SB2 approval process was another example of rules changes that seemed quite
biased at the time.
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net

U may be right, that's the only rule change i noted for '99.

It was a very difficult time to keep up with what seemed like
weekly rule changes that McCoy & U rightly point out.
CRU