First HOF class

#11

In article Listpig <listpig (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

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I'm
afraid that without that, the guys from the early years will end up outside
the running until we've flat run out of every guy who ever had a really good
run post 1990. (Any way in which the voting ends up with "Let's vote in
Mikey Waltrip because he won the Daytona 500" before a Tim Flock or Lee
Petty, IMO, is screwed up beyond belief.....but if the younger voters go
with what they know, we could end up there.)

--pig (certified old fart)

Not arguing at all with your post, but would like to add that,
in reality, there are VERY few that can remember Cotten Owens,
the Flocks etc., from firsthand experience.
MOST know of these guys, and how good they were
or may have been, ONLY from reading about them.
We never saw most of them....
Even people like me, a C.O.F. like yourself, that may be as old as NASCAR,
may not have seen their first Grand National race until the 60's.
So it's tough for me to say, for certain, that Billy Bob Shinerunner
was better than say, Bobby Allison.

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Dan

I got a new Matco tool box for my wife.
Best trade I ever made...

#12

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

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Listpig <listpig (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in
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On 10/15/09 09:30, in article
Xns9CA5568411015pogosupernews (AT) 216 (DOT) 168.3.30, "John McCoy"
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Bob <bob.paxton (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
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On Oct 15, 3:51 am, Listpig <list... (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:
I understand that it's the nature of a successful team owner that
there may never be a time when they're an ex/retired owner and
still alive,

I can think of one---the aforementioned Junior Johnson.

Bud Moore? Cotton Owens? I can probably come up with a
couple more, given a chance to check that they haven't just
recently died (Ralph Moody was in my mind, but I think he
passed on a couple of years ago).

Oh, I know they exist; it's just that I can see an argument made that
Hendrick, Roush, Penske and Childress probably *will* die while being
still active team owners. Ganassi and Gibbs too, for all that.

Another one, an obvious one, came to me moments after I posted:
Robert Yates.

You could also add the Stavola Brothers, who while not on a par
with the previously mentioned were reasonably successful (and
I gather are thinking of coming back, following the Wood Bros
example with a partial schedule).

I'm actually having a hard time thinking of a team owner who
didn't retire before dieing. You may well be right about
Hendrick et al, but history doesn't seem to point that way.
John

Carl Kiekhafer retired after only 2 seasons, but what 2 seasons they were!
2 Championships, 52 Wins, in '56 his teams won 30 of 56 races including
16 inarow (both #1 All-Time), 22Wins in '55 is #3 A-T.(Petty-27 in '67)
I wouldn't vote the guy in the HofF, but i did vote on Rick Hendrick:
#2 A-T Cup Champs & Wins, won 4 Champs row & could do it again in '09.

My Pet Peeves with the NASCAR Hall of Fame
By Dennis Michelsen [see Jayski.com today]
Makes a lot of sense to pattern after MLB by requiring a 75% 'consensus' vote
to get in.
CRU

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Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in
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Junior, in my opinion, perhaps more than anyone,
depicts what a true early NASCAR guy was.
He deserves to be in.... and on the first go round.

But so does BFJr.

See, the problem is that the first class is only _5_ people.
I don't have any issue with considering France Jr Hall of Fame
worthy - he is. He's just not one of 5 most worthy.

Good article on the subject here, btw:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4561687&name=mcgee_ryan&action=login &appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fes pn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d4561687%26name%3dmcg ee_ryan

(apologies if it wraps, I'm too lazy to go make a short URL).

John

#14

On Oct 15, 3:28*pm, Listpig <list... (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

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I'd give Jr. a gimme on the basis that he took a small, mostly regional,
fairly low budget and low awareness racing circuit and built it into the
megalith it is today.

True, and let me be perfectly clear here again. I am in no way shape
or form saying Bill Jr. doesn't deserve to be in the HOF, or was not
worthy of induction in the first round. He did what he did and the
record is irrefutable.

I just think that if there were going to be any "gimmies", there
should have been only one--BIll Sr. Your mileage may vary.

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*Junior Johnson may have sent R. J. Reynolds his
direction, but to thereupon give Johnson all the credit for the growth of
the franchise I think is way excessive:

I think you're reading me wrong here. I never gave Junior Johnson
credit for all the growth---only for bringing the money to the table
that made all the growth possible.

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France had to know what to do with
that contact and interest and build on it, and he did.

I believe I noted that as well.

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