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Default How to place wrecks - 08-06-2006 , 10:59 PM






Last lap Indi wreck, as TV said, had Khane and Hamlin and ?

With a last lap wreck how does NASCAR finish order the last lap
wrecked not finishing cars?

Brad


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Default Re: How to place wrecks - 08-07-2006 , 01:09 AM







On 6-Aug-2006, Avalanche <bradleesnowScratchThis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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With a last lap wreck how does NASCAR finish order the last lap
wrecked not finishing cars?
I believe it is the last timing loop crossed. A long time ago, it used to
be the last completed lap. They started using videotape some time ago, but
now that all(?) tracks have multiple timing and scoring loops, that is the
official method of scoring.

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Default Re: How to place wrecks - 08-07-2006 , 09:19 PM



Avalanche <bradleesnowScratchThis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news47dd2tulnev6eik11i7ak7t4583neu1jq (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

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Last lap Indi wreck, as TV said, had Khane and Hamlin and ?

With a last lap wreck how does NASCAR finish order the last lap
wrecked not finishing cars?
The wrecked cars (ones not able to move & cross the finish line)
are scored as the last cars on whatever lap they're on (i.e. if
they're on the lead lap, they're scored at the end of the lead
lap cars; if they're one lap down they're scored at the end of
the one lap down cars, etc). If there's more than one wrecked
car, they're scored in the order they were running immediately
prior to the wreck (as determined by the timing loops in the
track).

John



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Default Re: How to place wrecks - 08-07-2006 , 11:22 PM



On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:19:21 CST, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com>
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Avalanche <bradleesnowScratchThis (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news47dd2tulnev6eik11i7ak7t4583neu1jq (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Last lap Indi wreck, as TV said, had Khane and Hamlin and ?

With a last lap wreck how does NASCAR finish order the last lap
wrecked not finishing cars?

The wrecked cars (ones not able to move & cross the finish line)
are scored as the last cars on whatever lap they're on (i.e. if
they're on the lead lap, they're scored at the end of the lead
lap cars; if they're one lap down they're scored at the end of
the one lap down cars, etc). If there's more than one wrecked
car, they're scored in the order they were running immediately
prior to the wreck (as determined by the timing loops in the
track).

John,

Am I misremembering, or in "the old days" were the cars placed by
how far they got around the track on that final lap?

IOW, if we wrecked coming out of turn 1, and my car slid to a stop
in turn 2, and yours rolled to a stop half-way down the backstretch,
you'd be scored ahead of me because you got further down the track.

And, just to complicate matters, Marty was right behind us (but on
the same lap) in the "Moral Victory Mountain" Dodge at the last
scoring loop. He gets past us as we start spinning, but runs out of
gas and coasts to a stop in 4. It sounds like the way they score it
now, Marty ends up behind both of us, despite completing nearly half a
lap more...

take care,
Scott



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Default Re: How to place wrecks - 08-08-2006 , 01:09 AM




"Scott Stevenson" wrote ...
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John,

Am I misremembering, or in "the old days" were the cars placed by
how far they got around the track on that final lap?

IOW, if we wrecked coming out of turn 1, and my car slid to a stop
in turn 2, and yours rolled to a stop half-way down the backstretch,
you'd be scored ahead of me because you got further down the track.

And, just to complicate matters, Marty was right behind us (but on
the same lap) in the "Moral Victory Mountain" Dodge at the last
scoring loop. He gets past us as we start spinning, but runs out of
gas and coasts to a stop in 4. It sounds like the way they score it
now, Marty ends up behind both of us, despite completing nearly half a
lap more...

Yet Marty's sponsor is OK with that finish because they know he meant to do well
and tried his best! They award him a trophy themselves in honor of his efforts.




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Default Re: How to place wrecks - 08-08-2006 , 11:03 PM



almostfm.AMSPAY (AT) UCKSAY (DOT) comcast.net (Scott Stevenson) wrote in
news:44d7f32f.29456703 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) comcast.net:

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Am I misremembering, or in "the old days" were the cars placed by
how far they got around the track on that final lap?
I really don't remember...I sorta think up until the 70's that may
have been the rule, and then for safety reasons they changed to
scoring them in the order of the previous lap ("last lap completed").

Quote:
IOW, if we wrecked coming out of turn 1, and my car slid to a stop
in turn 2, and yours rolled to a stop half-way down the backstretch,
you'd be scored ahead of me because you got further down the track.

And, just to complicate matters, Marty was right behind us (but on
the same lap) in the "Moral Victory Mountain" Dodge at the last
scoring loop. He gets past us as we start spinning, but runs out of
gas and coasts to a stop in 4. It sounds like the way they score it
now, Marty ends up behind both of us, despite completing nearly half a
lap more...
OK, the way I think it works now, if the caution is shown when you
& I wreck, that freezes the field - however, since you & I can't
maintain pace car speed (we're wrecked) and Marty can, the MVM car
will advance it's position past us, and as long as he gets past
another scoring loop he'll be ahead of us in the final scoring.

I suspect this is one of those things not written down & NASCAR
will make the definitive call if & when it ever happens. :-)

John

(didn't realize Marty was a Dodge boy)



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Default Re: How to place wrecks - 08-09-2006 , 03:53 AM



On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:03:00 CST, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com>
wrote:

Quote:
almostfm.AMSPAY (AT) UCKSAY (DOT) comcast.net (Scott Stevenson) wrote in
news:44d7f32f.29456703 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) comcast.net:

Am I misremembering, or in "the old days" were the cars placed by
how far they got around the track on that final lap?

I really don't remember...I sorta think up until the 70's that may
have been the rule, and then for safety reasons they changed to
scoring them in the order of the previous lap ("last lap completed").
That's sad I'm just past 40, and remember back to "the old days"...
Quote:
IOW, if we wrecked coming out of turn 1, and my car slid to a stop
in turn 2, and yours rolled to a stop half-way down the backstretch,
you'd be scored ahead of me because you got further down the track.

And, just to complicate matters, Marty was right behind us (but on
the same lap) in the "Moral Victory Mountain" Dodge at the last
scoring loop. He gets past us as we start spinning, but runs out of
gas and coasts to a stop in 4. It sounds like the way they score it
now, Marty ends up behind both of us, despite completing nearly half a
lap more...

OK, the way I think it works now, if the caution is shown when you
& I wreck, that freezes the field - however, since you & I can't
maintain pace car speed (we're wrecked) and Marty can, the MVM car
will advance it's position past us, and as long as he gets past
another scoring loop he'll be ahead of us in the final scoring.
OK--that sounds fairer to me.
Quote:
I suspect this is one of those things not written down & NASCAR
will make the definitive call if & when it ever happens. :-)
What--NASCAR making sudden rules determinations during a race? "I'm
shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

Quote:
John

(didn't realize Marty was a Dodge boy)
Well, it just seemed to flow. If it were ten years ago, I'd have
made him a teammate of Wawd Buhtun's in a Pawneeack...

take care,
Scott



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