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Default Tires - 05-17-2007 , 01:13 PM






Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?



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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 01:46 PM






On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:33 CST, "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote in
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Quote:
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?
1988: <http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6786522>

(Good stuff there on the COT. There's a typo, I think.
Larry wanted to say that first that he DISAGREES with
Jr's quote, then he agrees with the other part of it.)

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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 02:14 PM



In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?
I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...

I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)


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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 02:41 PM




"Phil Rhodes" wrote ...
Quote:
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, ...

I missed it, at a school band concert. How was the show? Did they finally
answer the burning question?




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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 03:34 PM



"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

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In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?

I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...

I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)


Dan
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I'm going to stop putting things off.
Starting tomorrow.
DE had 3 championships and 31 race wins prior to 1988. In '87, he had 11 wins and
his second consecutive champ trophy...in '88 he had 3 wins and finished 3rd. In
'89, 5 wins and 2nd and in '90, 9 wins and his 4th champ trophy and his 5th in
'91.

Seems like he 'adapted' to radials purty quick!

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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 04:05 PM



On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:14:02 CST, chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in <dW03i.16490$He1.1240@trndny04>:

Quote:
In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?

I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...

I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)
Looks to me like three before 1988 and four afterward:

1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987

1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994

Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.

Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%

1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%

Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.

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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 08:07 PM




"DollarBill" wrote ...
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I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)

Looks to me like three before 1988 and four afterward:

1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987

1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994

Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.

Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%

1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%

Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.

Nice work Marty. I would expect nothing less from a man who resides, among
other places, within the ivory towers. Statistics, facts, data, call it what
you want, but I feel compelled to quote a cliche here, you can't argue with
the numbers.
I always think of "figure's lie and liars figure" ... but not in this case! 11
= 11, that's pretty interesting!




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Default Re: Tires - 05-17-2007 , 09:21 PM



On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:43:59 CST, "DollarBill" <nospambillgean (AT) nospamearthlink (DOT) net> wrote in
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Quote:
... three before 1988 and four afterward:

1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987

1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994

Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.

Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%

1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%

Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.

Nice work Marty. I would expect nothing less from a man who resides, among
other places, within the ivory towers. Statistics, facts, data, call it
what you want, but I feel compelled to quote a cliche here, you can't argue
with the numbers.
In this case, the numbers were easy to get and SEEM to
weaken DW's argument.

But I'm sure you've heard that there are three kinds of
lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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Default Re: Tires - 05-18-2007 , 12:59 PM



On May 17, 2:41 pm, "WildWeasel" <wweasel... (AT) zerospam (DOT) yahoo.com>
wrote:
Quote:
"Phil Rhodes" wrote ...

Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, ...

I missed it, at a school band concert. How was the show? Did they finally
answer the burning question?

If you want it on videotape, let me know via e-mail - I haven't taped
over it yet - as a bonus, you get Unique Whips with a 24 test car
being redone into a convertible. It was way kewl.

N.



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