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Default After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 01:39 PM






maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.

It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.

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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 02:36 PM






"PowerPost2000" <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote

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maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

I think they did. And, it shoudn't have been Larry (with his limited
vocabulary/grammer/pronunciation handicaps) doing the explanation, but "...he wuz
a crew chief and wuz down in the garage area...")

Using the telestator on the 19 car (bet Ray was delighted!), Larry said if the
right side of the rear window could be lifted, it would take air off the spoiler.
(Agreed.)

Then he said the templates for that area were ok during *Pre*-Q inspection and

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the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did.
This was also during *Pre*-Q inspection at a different inspection station...and my
opinion is that the change made then using what Larry called a 'collar' on the 48
caused the window to be bulged upward by jacking the track bar up. I'm thinking
what Larry called a 'collar' was a hollow tube that Larry said went all the way
down to the track bar. Others have reported there was a 'bracket' or 'device'
found down around the track bar adjusting rod that I think was what attached to
the bottom of what I call a 'tube', and moved the 'tube upwards enough to bulge
the rear window.

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Some of the blame should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying
attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.
"Not his chob, man!" That inspection station likely only deals with stuff under
the car...no responsibility to be observing what's going on to the window.
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It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.
The discovery of something that didn't look right was in *Post*-Q inspection and
the templates used then proved the change. (Jayski had a 'source' that said as
much as 3/4th inch.)

Hope all this stuff ends up on "The Table of Shame" later so we can see for
ourselves.
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Tom in Bristol



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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 03:08 PM



PowerPost2000 wrote:
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maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.
maybe so? I tend to offer this theory... what do you think the first
adjustment the 48 team was going to do during their first pit stop
during the 500?



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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 03:24 PM



"PowerPost2000" <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote

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maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.

It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.
I wonder though why we haven't heard of anyone from the team arguing about
this. It's almost as if they are saying "OK you caught us!" Has anyone
heard any alternate respones from Team Hendricks? Now maybe they're doing
this behind closed doors so far.




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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 03:52 PM




Jbob wrote:
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"PowerPost2000" <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote in message
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maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.

It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.

I wonder though why we haven't heard of anyone from the team arguing about
this. It's almost as if they are saying "OK you caught us!" Has anyone
heard any alternate respones from Team Hendricks? Now maybe they're doing
this behind closed doors so far.\
According to Nascar, the ejection of Knaus from Daytona cannot be
appealed. There's no point in arguing about that. As to the improper
trackbar device itself, maybe they're waiting to see what other
penalties come down the pike, after the 5-hunnert.

N.



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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 04:09 PM



On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:39:30 -0500, PowerPost2000 <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.

It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.
i also heard comments on speed this morning about the illegal
carb on the 96 car - the carb was an economy carb that is legal
for fontana, but not restrictor plate racing at daytona - the
announcer said it could very well have been an honest mistake,
given the fact it was basically a "rent-a-car" from gibbs racing,
to which no changes were made to by hall of fame racing...


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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 06:31 PM



PowerPost2000 <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote in news:91t6v1pg714f3kq61k800c9rdhmkkhn245@
4ax.com:

Quote:
maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.
Um, have you ever looked at a trackbar adjuster? They don't
normally move the window...in fact, it takes a mighty odd adjuster,
one with a few extra parts added, to do that.

I don't beleive Johnson's car just happened to have a weird
trackbar adjuster which coincidently affected the rear window
by accident.

John


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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 06:58 PM



On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:31:41 -0000, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

Quote:
PowerPost2000 <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote in news:91t6v1pg714f3kq61k800c9rdhmkkhn245@
4ax.com:

maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.

Um, have you ever looked at a trackbar adjuster? They don't
normally move the window...in fact, it takes a mighty odd adjuster,
one with a few extra parts added, to do that.

I don't beleive Johnson's car just happened to have a weird
trackbar adjuster which coincidently affected the rear window
by accident.

John
from what i understand, there was a tube that went from
the hole in the rear window (right side) all the way down
and rested on top of the trackbar. the wrench went down
through this tube to the adjusting bolt. when the trackbar
was raised, it pushed the tube up, which also pushed the
rear window up...
up...


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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-15-2006 , 10:53 PM



On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:09:24 -0800, mad^dog (AT) thedogpound (DOT) net wrote:

Quote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:39:30 -0500, PowerPost2000 <PP (AT) 2K (DOT) com> wrote:

maybe the 48 team didn't cheat on purpose.

the rear window fit the template. Later, a different inspector told
them they could raise the trackbar, so they did. Some of the blame
should go to that inspector. Either he wasn't paying attention to the
adjustment or he saw the window move and let it go.

It's still an unapproved part, but if the inspector found it earlier,
it could have saved a lot of trouble.

i also heard comments on speed this morning about the illegal
carb on the 96 car - the carb was an economy carb that is legal
for fontana, but not restrictor plate racing at daytona - the
announcer said it could very well have been an honest mistake,
given the fact it was basically a "rent-a-car" from gibbs racing,
to which no changes were made to by hall of fame racing...
ok, it wasn't a rent-a-car, just an engine...

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#hof


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Default Re: After hearing Larry Mac... - 02-16-2006 , 07:49 PM



mad^dog (AT) thedogpound (DOT) net wrote in
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from what i understand, there was a tube that went from
the hole in the rear window (right side) all the way down
and rested on top of the trackbar. the wrench went down
through this tube to the adjusting bolt. when the trackbar
was raised, it pushed the tube up, which also pushed the
rear window up...
I've heard a couple of different descriptions of the details,
but yeah, that's the general picture.

John


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