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Re: All-Time BuschWhackers -
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:16:10 -0500, SimRacer NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote: I don't really care about "Buschwhacking" one way or the other. I, as a racer (ok, as a hobby racer), appreciate the coldness of the rules. |
has killed another venue for young drivers to replenish the Cup Series.
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And if I can bring a car to the track that conforms to the rules and I have a valid competition license, I feel like I should be able to attempt to compete, period. Whether I'm a Cupper in the Busch series or whether I am a limited late model somewhere one week and an unlimited late model somewhere else the following week...Whether I am Kimi Raikkonen from F1 or Joe Blow from Hickory, the rules are what they are, and everyone should be open to at least try to make a race if they have the car and license (and mailed in their entry on time, etc etc). Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. |
but not even making the show equals NO 'sperience ever,
since my relative small-time owner like Todd Braun can't even get
his cars qualified into a show cuz Childress et.al. use their
huge Cup teams to take Braun's chance away.
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And I do try to follow the Busch series, and truck series too. They're not all affiliated with one of the huge Cup mega-teams 100% of the time, and you have more one and two car teams, and they are generally more interesting to follow than all the glitz/fluff we get now with the Cup series. Personally, I'm rooting for Shane Huffman this year, in the Navy car. Hasn't been stellar, but then again, which 1 car teams have been stellar lately? And over in the trucks, it's going to be interesting to follow Brendan Gaughn's "comeback" in Chevys this Cool, I didn't know about that one. I did kind of follow him when he drove in cup for Penske. I don't like Dodge and when Rusty retired I got away from rooting for them but I do like Brendan. |
Brendan Gaughn got the shaft from Penske after finishing 28th in '04
while S.Wimmer finished 27th & Scott Riggs finished 29th.
Oh well, to each Owner his own. Gaughn was a sponsor magnet!
and had some talent also.
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year and of course, I've always been a closet Johnny Benson fan as well...(and am not a Toyota hater). If he can turn his luck around, maybe he can add a CTS Cup to his collection which includes an NBS Cup as well. He's too nice of a driver. He needs to be more aggressive to win races. I am not talking about wrecking people, but he need to not back down as much when people are aggressive with him. |
he would be on the sidelines like so many other former NBS drivers.
OBTW, didja see where '06 ROTY Danny O'Quinn is entered in the
NBS Bristol Race? after Evil Jack dumped him.
CRU
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"Mike Smith" <mike_z (AT) excite (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mmd203h2ctd5ctt8nhdn5amdao9jderfls (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:16:10 -0500, SimRacer NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote: I don't really care about "Buschwhacking" one way or the other. I, as a racer (ok, as a hobby racer), appreciate the coldness of the rules. I otoh think Cup Owners with NA$CAr's blessing believe this coldness has killed another venue for young drivers to replenish the Cup Series. |
wherever they want to go. Let's face it, there was a time when the CTS
and Roush's Gong Show didn't exist, and guys seemed to make it up to
Cup when they could prove their worth, just fine. It hasn't killed the
Busch series just because there are full time Cuppers in there and the
car count would look skinny otherwise. Let some of the Cuppers back
out of their F/T schedules, and I bet we see a resurgance of smaller
teams trying to make NBS races again. NASCAR, it's TV audience and
media coverage are just too big to have short fields right now, folks
would show up to fill the spots.
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And if I can bring a car to the track that conforms to the rules and I have a valid competition license, I feel like I should be able to attempt to compete, period. Whether I'm a Cupper in the Busch series or whether I am a limited late model somewhere one week and an unlimited late model somewhere else the following week...Whether I am Kimi Raikkonen from F1 or Joe Blow from Hickory, the rules are what they are, and everyone should be open to at least try to make a race if they have the car and license (and mailed in their entry on time, etc etc). Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. Getting 'sperience vs the best Cup drivers is all well & good, but not even making the show equals NO 'sperience ever, since my relative small-time owner like Todd Braun can't even get his cars qualified into a show cuz Childress et.al. use their huge Cup teams to take Braun's chance away. |
againstr it, that's not a beef of mine. Hell, I want the top 43 Cup
cars to make each race on speed/time each week as it is. No
provisionals. No "Top 35" BS. Time your way in or go home. Even if
it's Junior, JJ, JG, TS, KH, MW or ANYONE in the garage. Like the NHRA
says "Go Fast or Go Home."
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McFarland over there in the NBS car from JR Motorsports, mainly due to
the Navy's request to make the driver move. Junior also fields a
Hooter's Pro Cup class car out of his shop with Richard Boswell (#88S)
and late model cars for Martin Truex's cousin, Curtis Truex (#73) as
well as Scott Young (#71).
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Brendan Gaughn got the shaft from Penske after finishing 28th in '04 while S.Wimmer finished 27th & Scott Riggs finished 29th. Oh well, to each Owner his own. Gaughn was a sponsor magnet! and had some talent also. year and of course, I've always been a closet Johnny Benson fan as well...(and am not a Toyota hater). If he can turn his luck around, maybe he can add a CTS Cup to his collection which includes an NBS Cup as well. He's too nice of a driver. He needs to be more aggressive to win races. I am not talking about wrecking people, but he need to not back down as much when people are aggressive with him. Good thing Johnny Benson chose to run CTS, not NBS, otherwise he would be on the sidelines like so many other former NBS drivers. OBTW, didja see where '06 ROTY Danny O'Quinn is entered in the NBS Bristol Race? after Evil Jack dumped him. CRU |
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Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. |
How would they make you a better driver?
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NNC drivers make it interesting. If it wasn't for them, the Busch series would ne no more. |
The Busch series has fewer "Busch" regulars,
BECAUSE of them, Mike.
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In article <mmd203h2ctd5ctt8nhdn5amdao9jderfls (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, mike_z (AT) excite (DOT) com wrote: Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. Please explain exactly what you think you'd learn from them. How would they make you a better driver? |
borne out. Instead, all that has been consistently been demonstrated is the
big dogs take the money. When drivers have spoken out honestly there were
far more complaints about the Cup guys taking the purse than there were
comments about Busch driver's skills being honed. I can see where a driver
in the lesser leagues may get tweaked by an occasional encounter with a big
name driver, but do any of those drivers want their shot at the money taken
away week after week by these guys? I don't really think so.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:TBGMh.10897$DX5.8932 (AT) trndny06 (DOT) .. In article <mmd203h2ctd5ctt8nhdn5amdao9jderfls (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, mike_z (AT) excite (DOT) com wrote: Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. Please explain exactly what you think you'd learn from them. How would they make you a better driver? Precisely. The argument that it improves lesser drivers just has not been borne out. Instead, all that has been consistently been demonstrated is the big dogs take the money. When drivers have spoken out honestly there were far more complaints about the Cup guys taking the purse than there were comments about Busch driver's skills being honed. I can see where a driver in the lesser leagues may get tweaked by an occasional encounter with a big name driver, but do any of those drivers want their shot at the money taken away week after week by these guys? I don't really think so. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net |
from the Cup drivers. But I also think that you don't need 20+ of them to
learn from. Having a few in the race (4-5?) is a good gauge of the talent
level of the Busch drivers.
I don't think the Cup guys run BGN because of the money. Busch race payouts
are rather paltry compared to Cup payouts. It's because the Busch cars are
so much like the Cup cars that the Busch races become an extra practice/test
session. And if that's true, then I think we'll see a decline in whacking
once the CoT is fully implemented.
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message news:27dd6$4603b2aa$4b58a750$27535 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET... "Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:TBGMh.10897$DX5.8932 (AT) trndny06 (DOT) .. In article <mmd203h2ctd5ctt8nhdn5amdao9jderfls (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, mike_z (AT) excite (DOT) com wrote: Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. Please explain exactly what you think you'd learn from them. How would they make you a better driver? Precisely. The argument that it improves lesser drivers just has not been borne out. Instead, all that has been consistently been demonstrated is the big dogs take the money. When drivers have spoken out honestly there were far more complaints about the Cup guys taking the purse than there were comments about Busch driver's skills being honed. I can see where a driver in the lesser leagues may get tweaked by an occasional encounter with a big name driver, but do any of those drivers want their shot at the money taken away week after week by these guys? I don't really think so. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net I think there is some merit to the argument that the Busch regulars learn from the Cup drivers. But I also think that you don't need 20+ of them to learn from. Having a few in the race (4-5?) is a good gauge of the talent level of the Busch drivers. I don't think the Cup guys run BGN because of the money. Busch race payouts are rather paltry compared to Cup payouts. It's because the Busch cars are so much like the Cup cars that the Busch races become an extra practice/test session. And if that's true, then I think we'll see a decline in whacking once the CoT is fully implemented. Especially when 19 of the BuschWhackers are ahead of the Busch regulars |
must be close enough to see the car you want to follow to learn from...
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message news:27dd6$4603b2aa$4b58a750$27535 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET... "Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:TBGMh.10897$DX5.8932 (AT) trndny06 (DOT) .. In article <mmd203h2ctd5ctt8nhdn5amdao9jderfls (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, mike_z (AT) excite (DOT) com wrote: Exactly, that is my point. If I were racing in those lower series, I would probably have aspirations to go to cup someday, and getting experience with the likes of Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, and other good Nextel Drivers would be worth more than anything I could imagine. Please explain exactly what you think you'd learn from them. How would they make you a better driver? Precisely. The argument that it improves lesser drivers just has not been borne out. Instead, all that has been consistently been demonstrated is the big dogs take the money. When drivers have spoken out honestly there were far more complaints about the Cup guys taking the purse than there were comments about Busch driver's skills being honed. I can see where a driver in the lesser leagues may get tweaked by an occasional encounter with a big name driver, but do any of those drivers want their shot at the money taken away week after week by these guys? I don't really think so. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net I think there is some merit to the argument that the Busch regulars learn from the Cup drivers. But I also think that you don't need 20+ of them to learn from. Having a few in the race (4-5?) is a good gauge of the talent level of the Busch drivers. I don't think the Cup guys run BGN because of the money. Busch race payouts are rather paltry compared to Cup payouts. It's because the Busch cars are so much like the Cup cars that the Busch races become an extra practice/test session. And if that's true, then I think we'll see a decline in whacking once the CoT is fully implemented. Especially when 19 of the BuschWhackers are ahead of the Busch regulars |
must be close enough to see the car you want to follow to learn from...
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