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Re: ! Auction for charity ! ~ does this violate FAQ? -
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"Dr. Gelakeiwicz" On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:55:34 GMT, "Harry M. Fetterman Jr." snip with those whom may be interested. esp for something for charity. guess not. Keep up the good work. Auction for charity ! ....that's the part I have a problem with, because IMO that's not what this is. more snip snip "fundraising venture" is the key in that sentence, but some may be interested in the charity aspect also....chee-ya right | | My friend has a unique vehicle up for auction (I scanned some photos he had | taken, took a few myself, and helped him upload his site / set up EBAY, but | am not making any money from this) | Let's examine this unique vehicle. 1988 model - 15 years old standard issue f-350 mini-coach body with race shit all over it from top to bottom. New engine... "shit" is on magnetics, removable and customizable. materials provided for you to set up as you please. and create more "shit" Signatures all over the inside and outside with coments from drivers (If that dosen't make something uniqie and increse value to race fans, what will? please tell me) Something that would be more reliable than a 15 yo bus with an |
worth $1000 each? That's the difference in "sentimental/collector"
value between the actual vehicle and the price.
Profit/seed money for the next project. Sorry if your friend dumped a
buncho ca$h into this, but it ain't anywhere worth the starting price
of the so called "auction for charity".
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With autographs dedicated from racers? really? go for it. snip |
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and signatures / memorabilia have no value to race fans? this is not just a bus... No argument there about the just a bus part. |
doesn't get donated, but used for another fundraising venture project.
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Donations will not exceed 40% . Currently 23%. WTF does that mean? so If we'd drop the donation part, all would be ok, right? |
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Others just say proceeds donated... kind of vauge, don't you think? Ron had even stated he wanted to donate more, the cut off limit was for 19,900 so that he could recoup money spent and utilize as seed money for the next project. what is wrong with that? |
this header if yore not sure of what I'm sayin.
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I think this is misnamed, but you'll prolly find a goob to buy it at that price. what you you call it? Perhaps he should have just put it up as a collectors item and said the heck with charity. (at least my opinion for all the hoops and nonscence he had to deal with) woulda had the same nil result with that price. Here's a real charity auction for you http://limodigest.com/makeawish.html the items are all donated and the money all goes to the charity gonna be $20K easy in the room that night raised. donations this was done by an individuals effort, no an orginazion or business with gov backing and privelages. No tax exempt status, or other support or investors / or donations. even had to pay to get in, arrange for all, pay for phone calls... we are not exempt. how shall we pay the bills? tell them, sorry, we were doing this for charity, we won't pay? The people at charity auctions are not corporations. Individuals reach |
corporations and associations get people to DONATE items for the
Charity Auctions. This thing is misnamed, in my opinion.
Simple as that.
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I donate a portion of proceeds from an ongoing enterprise that has market rates that are not inflated to accomodate the charity donation. VJGC is the recipient and we promote additional giving from our clients during our charity fundraising drive. portion of procedes... do you specify how much? no. |
organization to solicit further giving.
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perhaps that was our downfall? Besides, when is giving all a requirement? we never stated we are a non-profit org! others do this and do not even mention how much is even being donated!!! I thought it was a nice action on behalf of Ron, rather that auctioning for sole individual gain. not? I agree a portion donated is valiant. He doesn't have to, you are |
repeat myself again. Read above for a clue.
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| This just smells funny... and I'm not just talking about the bus. how would you promote? that was one of my concerns. Despite all the problems, and the fact that Ron dosen't have to follow through since noone bid and the auction was a failure, he still plans to donate a portion upon sale. Lower the price and try again. Since he tried e-bay once with an out |
market value based on the bids he received.
Good Luck!
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| It took me 2 seconds to find this. 1996 Limo Bus 24-Pass. Black/Gray Int. Bar, CD, Attractive Lighting, Cummins Diesel 5.9 Ltr. Alison Trans., 32K Miles, Price for Quick Sale $23,500 http://www.limodigest.com/class.html down at the bottom ...with signatures that have blessings from the drivers? I doubt it. this was aimed toward the infield crowd, how many limo's in there? the item above is the same type as you are selling. It's a (custom) |
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| does this violate the FAQ? I think it viloates the good taste FAQ ...and if you find that one, please post it, today's edition of rasn could prolly use it. ;-( And in case you are new to this group, you may want to know that there |
of course the banner). The attempts at fraud using Na$car memorabilia
are too numerous to acknowledge.
This is NOT to say that you are attempting this, please be clear on
this, however, in my opinion the header needs some serious work to not
be a misrepresentation.
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Yes.....since you asked, it does. The dude should have just poured the money into Victory Junction instead of the van.............. |
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Yes.....since you asked, it does. |
why I asked and sent to the moderators on other lists before posting. Noone
offered any feedback or opinion (here, on website, or in letters I wrote
directly to people and webmasters) when I wrote nice letters, though. Olny
after I started ranting, did people reply or offer suggestions / advice
after the fact...
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The dude should have just poured the money into Victory Junction instead of the van.............. |
the next fundraiser project?
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New engine... "shit" is on magnetics, removable and customizable. materials provided for you to set up as you please. and create more "shit" Signatures all over the inside and outside with coments from drivers (If that dosen't make something uniqie and increse value to race fans, what will? please tell me) Something that would be more reliable than a 15 yo bus with an unfinished rear a/c unit for starters. |
The autographs and comments are
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worth $1000 each? That's the difference in "sentimental/collector" value between the actual vehicle and the price. |
opinion, you price spots memrobilia?
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Profit/seed money for the next project. Sorry if your friend dumped a buncho ca$h into this, but it ain't anywhere worth the starting price of the so called "auction for charity". |
opinion, you haven't seen it in person.
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With autographs dedicated from racers? really? go for it. snip and signatures / memorabilia have no value to race fans? this is not just a bus... No argument there about the just a bus part. |
you mention it above, and it's more than signatures.
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I wonder who'd pay this premium for autographs when the premium doesn't get donated, but used for another fundraising venture project. Donations will not exceed 40% . Currently 23%. WTF does that mean? |
project like the last that spawend this... why is this so hard for people to
wrap heads around. instead of asking for someone to donate an item to
auction, proceeds from thae last feed the next project. what is wrong with
that? Is it because we don't give it all away? We don't have a business to
fund this, he works in construction, myself electronics, and thought this
would be a nice thing to do.
BTW, It does get donated, it seeds the next project, how is that not charity
as well. it is just not specified what will be next.
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so If we'd drop the donation part, all would be ok, right? Never said that. |
but because we wanted to donate some "profits" we are money grubbing scam
artist to some, nice outlook. I suppose I have to give everything away if I
want to donate anything from a sale. Yoplait donates a part of sales to
cancer, and they still make a profit... Yet noone acuses them of
misaproation even thought it's only a few cents they actually give from a
sale... many "companies" do this... and this is from an individual
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Others just say proceeds donated... kind of vauge, don't you think? Ron had even stated he wanted to donate more, the cut off limit was for 19,900 so that he could recoup money spent and utilize as seed money for the next project. what is wrong with that? Just don't hang the donation part as the reason for the sale. Read this header if yore not sure of what I'm sayin. |
auction and ron wants to donate some of the profits, correct? explicity, no
slight of hand, spelled all out for all to see, even registered with the
respective orgs.
the sight spells it all out, we are not misleading and offer more info where
the money will go than others. How would you do it? it seems to me I should
have said, no, I will not donate my help in this endevor for charity, too
much hassle. Just sell it. keep all the profits for yourself, the hell with
trying to come up with a new twist for the public.
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discouragment, than rallying us on at the races. the media and drivers
seemed to be behind this concept as well.
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| Here's a real charity auction for you http://limodigest.com/makeawish.html the items are all donated and the money all goes to the charity gonna be $20K easy in the room that night raised. donations this was done by an individuals effort, no an orginazion or business with gov backing and privelages. No tax exempt status, or other support or investors / or donations. even had to pay to get in, arrange for all, pay for phone calls... we are not exempt. how shall we pay the bills? tell them, sorry, we were doing this for charity, we won't pay? The people at charity auctions are not corporations. Individuals reach in their pockets and give to support the charity. Individuals and corporations and associations get people to DONATE items for the Charity Auctions. This thing is misnamed, in my opinion. Simple as that. |
what would you call it? how would you handle selling something you plan to
sell and want to donate part of it to the fans of the item for sale? not say
anything, then donate afterwards? we thought this would get us some
publicity for trying to do some good, rather than just sell it. (I am really
asking, how would *you* do this? if at all)
we didn't have the cash to donate, so we fixed up the bus and came up with
this concept, apparently flawed. should we just have donated the bus?
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I donate a portion of proceeds from an ongoing enterprise that has market rates that are not inflated to accomodate the charity donation. VJGC is the recipient and we promote additional giving from our clients during our charity fundraising drive. portion of procedes... do you specify how much? no. Yes. We specify 10%. And we distribute pamphlets on behalf of the organization to solicit further giving. |
from an enterprise... do you have other sources of revinue from products? we
do not. we have no products and the charity does not help our business. we
don't have one.
and we specified 23% min, possibly more depending on final sale price.
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perhaps that was our downfall? Besides, when is giving all a requirement? we never stated we are a non-profit org! others do this and do not even mention how much is even being donated!!! I thought it was a nice action on behalf of Ron, rather that auctioning for sole individual gain. not? I agree a portion donated is valiant. He doesn't have to, you are right. My head is hurting and the wall is giving way, so I won't repeat myself again. Read above for a clue. |
Sorry, just getting so much flack after the fact, not of much help now. we
tried to do something nice, spell it all out so noone is mislead. IMO,
neither of us did anything unethical, but you'd be suprised all the grief,
enought to make me say the heck with it.
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| This just smells funny... and I'm not just talking about the bus. how would you promote? that was one of my concerns. Despite all the problems, and the fact that Ron dosen't have to follow through since noone bid and the auction was a failure, he still plans to donate a portion upon sale. Lower the price and try again. Since he tried e-bay once with an out of sight price, maybe he can return with a better understanding of the market value based on the bids he received. Good Luck! |
it has been a lesson at least. perhaps we were just in over our heads on
this one. but it is a really nice vehicle :-)
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| It took me 2 seconds to find this. 1996 Limo Bus 24-Pass. Black/Gray Int. Bar, CD, Attractive Lighting, Cummins Diesel 5.9 Ltr. Alison Trans., 32K Miles, Price for Quick Sale $23,500 http://www.limodigest.com/class.html down at the bottom ...with signatures that have blessings from the drivers? I doubt it. this was aimed toward the infield crowd, how many limo's in there? the item above is the same type as you are selling. It's a (custom) mini coach (bus). You can follow the links and see it for yourself. |
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| does this violate the FAQ? I think it viloates the good taste FAQ ...and if you find that one, please post it, today's edition of rasn could prolly use it. ;-( And in case you are new to this group, you may want to know that there are pledges made and donations that donut involve autographs (except of course the banner). The attempts at fraud using Na$car memorabilia are too numerous to acknowledge. This is NOT to say that you are attempting this, please be clear on this, however, in my opinion the header needs some serious work to not be a misrepresentation. |
we are registered and provided links to the sites so anyone may verify.
there was news coverage, and articles have been published. their are
pictures in the bus of the drivers signing that spot on the bus, hard to
fake :-) check out some of the photos if ya get the chance... (not all are
online, but enough to show it's legit.) The drivers were told their
signatures were seeked to increase the value, and some made notes commenting
on what we were doing, that has to be worth something... I don't see how
it's misrepresenting when it's spelled out where and how much will go
where... it seems if we just left it say "some proceeds donated here, some
there" we would have been better off...
thanks for the feedback, BTW
~Harē
BTW, my main involvement has been some computer help... and to relay
Internet communications to Ron, all time and web resources donated by myself
for this project.
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such as your original...They bitch about posts like yours, which are fine,
and continue to keep threats about PETA, totally off topic, going.
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"Harry M. Fetterman Jr." <harryjr (AT) ptd (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Xp9hb.466$_i.34798 (AT) nnrp1 (DOT) ptd.net... | If you are interested I can post information about this on our Nascar | related website as well as a few other websites that we have for our | business. | | Paula Thankyou. From the sites I did get in contact with, the general attitude has been... a) they think it's a scam (or) b) they want a cut (or) c) they are mad they didn't think of it first I'll let you know what Ron decides (or has) to do with it if this auction attempt is a failure, if interested. Regards ~Harē 1) I never suggested or thought it was a scam |
never said you did, I said others have... and "general attitude has been..."
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2) I never asked for anything in return nor would I when it comes to posting information about charities. We list many racing related charities on our website for FREE and expect nothing in return and have not been compensated once for doing it. We wouldn't feel right taking money that is for a given charity! |
huh? where do I even mention you? I have been refering to my personal
corespondence here. what are you talking about?
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3) Mad I didn't think about it? Nope thought it was a worthwhile cause and was merely offering posting a link to the site |
said thANKS, THAT REPORTED ATTITUDE OF OTHERS, ... READ IT AGAIN!@
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I would post a link to our racing site so you could see for yourself all that we do for racing charities but most here don't like it when you post a commercial website. Paula |
THANKS
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula" <amosly (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Re: ! Auction for charity ! ~ does this violate FAQ? | | "Harry M. Fetterman Jr." <harryjr (AT) ptd (DOT) net> wrote in message | news:Xp9hb.466$_i.34798 (AT) nnrp1 (DOT) ptd.net... | > | If you are interested I can post information about this on our Nascar | > | related website as well as a few other websites that we have for our | > | business. | > | | > | Paula | | | > Thankyou. | | > From the sites I did get in contact with, the general attitude has been... | | > a) they think it's a scam | > (or) | > b) they want a cut | > (or) | > c) they are mad they didn't think of it first | | | | > I'll let you know what Ron decides (or has) to do with it if this auction | > attempt is a failure, if interested. | | > Regards | > ~Harē | | | 1) I never suggested or thought it was a scam never said you did, I said others have... and "general attitude has been..." | 2) I never asked for anything in return nor would I when it comes to posting | information about charities. We list many racing related charities on our | website for FREE and expect nothing in return and have not been compensated | once for doing it. We wouldn't feel right taking money that is for a given | charity! huh? where do I even mention you? I have been refering to my personal corespondence here. what are you talking about? | | 3) Mad I didn't think about it? Nope thought it was a worthwhile cause and | was merely offering posting a link to the site | I hate to sound mean, but do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said thANKS, THAT REPORTED ATTITUDE OF OTHERS, ... READ IT AGAIN!@ | I would post a link to our racing site so you could see for yourself all | that we do for racing charities but most here don't like it when you post a | commercial website. | | Paula | MORE GRIEF FOR NOTHING I DID WRONG, THANKS |
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From: "Harry M. Fetterman Jr." harryjr (AT) ptd (DOT) net MORE GRIEF FOR NOTHING I DID WRONG, |
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"Its best to remember one thing when arguing with an idiot. Make sure he is not
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