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Re: Back in the Day -
03-01-2006
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"PaulMofAtl" <paulmorabito (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:j4n802doidinju3l2omnublnk8j06sgj8a (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:37 GMT, "mark" <usenet1958 (AT) verizon (DOT) net wrote: Oh the memories. The only thing I don't miss is how many people got hurt back then. |
how many people?
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| Did you see the pit crews? What were they thinking back then? One crew had those funky Coca-Cola pants that I am old enough to remember. I think I saw one crewmember with shorts on. |
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| Scary thing was the cars were roaring into the pits as fast as the drivers would dare. Over 100 mph aiming for their pit crews. |
fatalities occurred under those old rules, compared to what has happened
over the past 10 years. I think a study of that would surprise you.
It's not that I'm advocating a return to everything of old, but the notion
of "what were they thinking" or the alarm at some of the things that were
the norm back then does not stand up too well when compared to today's
standards. It's not like people were getting picked off like flies.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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"PaulMofAtl" <paulmorabito (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:j4n802doidinju3l2omnublnk8j06sgj8a (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:37 GMT, "mark" <usenet1958 (AT) verizon (DOT) net wrote: Oh the memories. The only thing I don't miss is how many people got hurt back then. Did you see the pit crews? What were they thinking back then? One crew had those funky Coca-Cola pants that I am old enough to remember. I think I saw one crewmember with shorts on. Scary thing was the cars were roaring into the pits as fast as the drivers would dare. Over 100 mph aiming for their pit crews. The crew in the plaid pants and tee shirts sent me for a loop, and then I |
the mirror-ball on the dance floor back then either. hehe
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| Pit road speed limits and the whole open/closed pits routine has really hurt NASCAR. There were very few problems with the old unrestricted pits. I wish they would go back to it. -- -v- solamente ocho ! Well I might surprise you by partially agreeing with you. Green flag= no speed limit, but no pit crew member over the wall until the car is in the box and stopped. Car doesn't leave till last man back over the wall. |
& his crew working on car when 10th place car (pitted just behind) comes
in, locks up brakes and plows into other car & crew.
I don't think it's a coincidence that F1, Nascar, CART, IRL & sports
cars all went to a pitlane speed limit in just over a year. I think it
was required by the insurance company, and isn't likely to ever go away.
That is unless Nascar wants to self insure (and I bet their lawyers have
given them many reasons why not).
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Well I do not disagree that it isn't risk free, and you are exactly right with the risks you point out. Yet I would do a couple of other things that would help it quite a bit. Get the catch can man from behind the car. Move it to the side of the car or vent it directly somehow with the fuel can but that shouldn't be that big of a challenge. In that case if it would slide into the next car, it would hit bumper to bumper and keep the risk to a minimum. A spinning car would actually be a higher risk. |
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Now that being said it would have some safety benefits as well. 1. It would encourage more green flag stops so as to keep traffic on yellow stops down. |
What makes you believe this Mark? They're going to eat the cost of going
down a lap or more, simply because they can now slide into the car ahead of
them in the pits? I know - I'm being a wise ass with that one, but think
about it - they aren't going to come in the pits for this reason. They're
racining out there ya know.
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2. Drivers would be more inclined to give each other a break if they could make up for it either on pit in or out. |
not even likely the could make anything up on the ingress/egress - anymore
so than they do with fast pit times now.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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"24-Dynasty" <2X.better.than@2X-champs> wrote in message news:mz7Nf.5618$5M6.1655 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... "PaulMofAtl" <paulmorabito (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:j4n802doidinju3l2omnublnk8j06sgj8a (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:37 GMT, "mark" <usenet1958 (AT) verizon (DOT) net wrote: Oh the memories. The only thing I don't miss is how many people got hurt back then. Did you see the pit crews? What were they thinking back then? One crew had those funky Coca-Cola pants that I am old enough to remember. I think I saw one crewmember with shorts on. Scary thing was the cars were roaring into the pits as fast as the drivers would dare. Over 100 mph aiming for their pit crews. Pit road speed limits and the whole open/closed pits routine has really hurt NASCAR. There were very few problems with the old unrestricted pits. I wish they would go back to it. -- -v- solamente ocho ! |
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Why because at many of the bigger tracks you just might be able to do it without going a lap down. If the time in the pits was close, and it would be a bit higher because no one over the wall till it stops, the total slow time might be quick enough to get you back out ahead of the leaders. I wouldn't work if you were running in the back, but it could if you were running up front. At Daytona and Dega it should work if they would just give them a big enough opening in the plate for some acceleration. That would more than anything help break up the packs, just as they tried to do with smaller fuel cells. |
draft is the draft and a single car coming out of the pits is never going to
outrun the draft with any kind of plate on it - somewhat bigger or not. I'm
fine with loosening up the rules in the pits, and I do believe that on a lot
of tracks the driver can save a *bunch* of time over the current pit speed
limits. So maybe what I'm saying here is that I do believe chucking the
speed limit is a good thing. To be honest - I can't remember what it was in
your original post that made me question your thoughts, and I'm too lazy to
go back and see. I'm happy enough to agree that dropping some of the
extremely rediculous pit speeds would contribute to better racing.
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2. Drivers would be more inclined to give each other a break if they could make up for it either on pit in or out. Maybe some would - but not most. Drivers as a rule don't give breaks. It's not even likely the could make anything up on the ingress/egress - anymore so than they do with fast pit times now. Drivers are by nature competitive, but they usually are also usually out for their own best interests. Giving a bit to let someone out would be in one's best interest to keep from banging a fender in. If you can give a break and hit the gas and pass them back before pit out, you haven't hurt yourself. With the speed limit you can't do that. Give a break and although you may not bang in a fender, you also might be starting 4 spots back and caught up in the big one. |
changes his spots. What you see in terms of driver behavior now is what you
would see under any other pit conditions.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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