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Big track v small track
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Re: Big track v small track -
01-18-2006
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:55:03 -0500, "Mike Marlow" mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net wrote: This is the ground that great discussions have been built upon. So... take a minute to do some research - as much research as you feel you need, and find the incidents of safety crews or competitors being hurt or killed, such that your statement "the safety of the emergency crews is the most important thing" has any relevance. Sorry Paul, but this one falls into the category of Hillary Clinton's "think of the children". *WELL*! If you are going to be *that* insulting comparing me to *that* woman... :-) |
to share in our misery.
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Sissy rules. Boo Hiss. Paul - at some point you need to quit trying to change everything you don't understand and accept some of what's out there. That is absolutely amazing!!! Just tonight I was thinking, "I wonder how long it is going to be before someone tells me to stop trying to change things and buzz off. LOL It took about two hours. |
to start pretty quick though, the jonesin' is catching up with you. We've
seen this before - never a pretty sight.
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"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote in message news:Hu7zf.9613$vG.3995 (AT) tornado (DOT) tampabay.rr.com... Impose a 2 lap penalty for pitting during a caution. -- Hmm. I am trying to find a problem with that. Carey in Portland It would work great except that NASCAR is more interested in the "product" |
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solamente ocho !
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That's the way it's done in most lower-level racing. Yellow comes out, everyone lines up in the order they were at the start of the lap, except for whoever (in the starters opinion) caused the yellow to come out, who gets sent to the back. It's not a popular idea for Cup, because it takes the pit crews out of the picture, and many people like the team aspect of the pit crews competing, and a good crew gaining their driver a position or two. |
car. I think the team concept in NASCAR may fit the "major league sport" TV
image NASCAR is promoting but it has hurt actual on track action.
I really don't care who can change a tire or fill a gas tank the quickest. I
want to see cars going wheel to wheel and door handle to door handle.
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:51:01 -0000, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com wrote: Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> wrote in news:3r2ps1d659s91ka9bb1ll4lum9db62pnp0 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com: I do understand racing the leader across the S/F during a yellow is dangerous and not good. Why? They did it that way for decades without any significant problems. John (figures that question should be good to extend the thread another 20 or 30 posts, it usually sparks a heated arguement.) Well -- for one thing it is against the rules. The caution is out and it is time to take your foot off of the gas not press it to the floor. Second it is not really racing because the leader has his foot off the gas and is slowing down to obey the rules. Where is the sport in you passing him? -- Paul of El Cajon |
ago. I miss it.
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:51:01 -0000, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com wrote: Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> wrote in news:3r2ps1d659s91ka9bb1ll4lum9db62pnp0 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com: I do understand racing the leader across the S/F during a yellow is dangerous and not good. Why? They did it that way for decades without any significant problems. Well -- for one thing it is against the rules. The caution is out and it is time to take your foot off of the gas not press it to the floor. Second it is not really racing because the leader has his foot off the gas and is slowing down to obey the rules. Where is the sport in you passing him? -- |
rule was you raced to the start finish line (unless there was an
obvious reason not to, like a wrecked car sitting on it). In
the days of yore, the leader kept his foot in it until he got
to the line. A few years back, in some weird twist on noblesse
oblige, leaders started slowing down so cars a lap down could
pass and get their lap back. _That_ caused a problem, because
you had the leader going slow, and guys way back going hell for
leather to get their lap back (plus if the guy in second took
advantage and passed the slow moving leader, then the erstwhile
leader would get pissed off and say bad things). But back when
the leader kept his mind on racing, and ran fast enough to
avoid being passed, then racing back to the flag caused no problem.
John
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:47:46 -0000, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com wrote: Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> wrote in news:51bos19fkurm0k3l8ebba82q29h0ddlp7e (AT) 4ax (DOT) com: Why not just restart the race with the cars in the exact order they were when the yellow came out? That's the way it's done in most lower-level racing. Yellow comes out, everyone lines up in the order they were at the start of the lap, except for whoever (in the starters opinion) caused the yellow to come out, who gets sent to the back. Nope. Not buying that one. It may not be the fault of any driver. |
to the back, if it's just one of them racing deals.
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And if a driver did something stupid and caused himself to wreck, he has to live with the wrecked car and probably being laps down while they fix it or he may be out of the race. |
But consider this possibility: you're leading, I'm in second,
and coming out of the 2nd turn I give you a shot to the bumper,
you spin, I take the lead, your car won't fire, and the yellow
comes out.
Now, under short-track rules, you get to line up back in the
lead (because it goes back to the positions at the start of
the lap), and I get sent to the back for causing the caution
(which I do after a couple of smokey donuts to show the starter
I'm pissed and he doesn't have a clue). Now isn't that fair?
You get your lead back, and I get a lesson (namely, don't bump
you quite so hard next time).
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Speaking of speed limits; how about not closing pit road, (cars come in as soon as they reach pit road a few at a time) but as soon as the yellow comes out they immediately have to drop their speed to say 15 or 25 MPH on the track or whatever would be safe for the emergency crews on the track and continue around the track until they reach pit road when they can pit? They tried that at Indy for a few years in the 60's. Everyone, and I mean everyone, cheated on it...they'd dawdle down the front, but as soon as they got to the backstretch it was full bore, until they caught up to the car ahead. You could probably enforce that now, but only at the cost of an immense amount of pissing & moaning from guys caught going too fast. I don't understand. Why cheat? You are not going to gain anything. The field is frozen when the yellow came out. |
the historical situation, long before the idea of freezing the
field ever came into being. The idea of the rule at Indy was
to prevent the field from closing up into a pack under the
yellow. Closing up is an advantage to everyone except the
leader, so of course everyone tried to do just that.
John
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