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Cheatin' Chad 5-29-03
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Re: Cheatin' Chad 5-29-03 -
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On 15 Feb 2006 08:21:54 -0800, "Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote: SimRacer wrote: Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" They didn't get pinged because the shocks were legal, within the rules. Nascar said they didn't "fit the spirit" of the rules, but that's a subjective judgment. That's why Nascar then changed the rules for future issues on shocks like JJ's. Perfectly understandable to me. Nascar is bent on nobody ever having an advantage - which seems diametrically opposed to what a stock car race is all about. N. nascar needs to quit acting like they are trying to sneak up on the "cookie cutter" cars and just put all the drivers in iroc cars and be done with it... |
it seems to me that Nascar is looking for "parity" NFL style. I can
see "instant replay" coming down the pike.
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Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" covering the shock package to try and prevent Knaus' innovation from happening again. If they wanted it prevented, never to happen again, wouldn't that fall under heading of "cheating"? And if so, why weren't they penalized then and there? I mean these were a lot more highly engineered pieces than are springs that mysteriously "settle" over 400-500 miles, or bump stops, or things of the like... Between the u-bolts (2002), the shocks last year, and now this, I'd be very surprised if Chad isn't benched for a time, a couple of races at least. The Anti-Earnhardt crowd has never yelled favoritism as loud as it will be yelled next week by the rest of us if they don't come down on Chad this go round. He's really painted himself into a corner IMO, though I doubt a long term ban is even on the table. Sucks for Jimmy Johnson, to have so much success, marred ever so slightly by a frequently blatent cheatin' ass CC. I wrote a column on the touchiness of the Knaus/Johnson team chemistry at the end of last season, and said they should go their own ways (as a compliment really, citing their ability to succeed with new blood/different teams). And, they almost did to read the various reports....I wonder now if Jimmy is wishing they had. I doubt it really, but one has to wonder. "Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:45f597F6fsp4U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Posted to RASN 5/29/03 Cheatin' Chad I am a Chad Knaus fan & a JJ & Hendrick MS fan & hope this post does no harm, but perception especially by NA$CAR may go too far. Find below some interesting statements about 'Cheating': 5-27-03 Knaus fined $2500 for cooling the fuel pre-qualifying C600.-Removed 5-20-03 Knaus fined $1000 for unapproved air deflection pre-The Winston.-Removed 9-22-02 Knaus fined $5000 for using the F word during a live TV interview.-Intruder Alert 7-12-02 Knaus fined $25000 & first team to get a 25 point penalty pre-qualifying for using unapproved location of mounting bolts. 10-22-01 Knaus fined $750 for windshield clips being too small on #92. 3-9-01 Knaus fined $5000 & 2 race suspension for not having Mfr's date on seatbelt for #92 Melling & Stacy Compton. -Had proof of new belt the day before, Appeal Denied! -3 weeks after DE's death. From: "NASCARWife" <nascarwife (AT) aol (DOT) com Subject: Re: Fines Date: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:51 AM How is Harvick grabbing Biffle's clothes worse than Gordon spinning out Earnhardt, Jr.? The infraction probably isn't worse, but in NASCAR, things are sort of cummulative and Harvick was in trouble for fighting last year so they increase the penalty for him this year. From another source after the '02 Daytona 400: There's an adage widely held in stock car racing that if you're not cheating, you're not trying. To that end, NASCAR has tried for the past 35 years to curb the enthusiasm of some team's underhanded tactics. Before the 1967 Firecracker 400 at Daytona, NASCAR introduced templates that cars must conform to in an attempt to cut down on illegal body tampering. Forty-nine of the 50 cars entered failed to pass the template inspections. Posted on Fri, Jul. 12, 2002 Knaus: Penalty just part of the job By DAVID POOLE The Charlotte Observer Chad Knaus, crew chief for Winston Cup rookie star Jimmie Johnson, said Friday the points penalty and fine levied by NASCAR against his team this week comes with the territory. "Being creative is my job," Knaus said. "If I am going to get fined and penalized for being creative, then that's just part of it." The team had 25 driver points and 25 car owner points deducted and Knaus was fined $25,000 for the infraction, which inolved offset bolts on the front trailing arms of Johnson's Chevrolet in inspection before qualifying for last weekend's Pepsi 400. Jeff Hammond states on 7/15/02: I hate to see NASCAR take away points even before a race is run without giving an explanation. If this was a guy's third offense, that's one thing. Three strikes and you're out. But like Paul Harvey says, let's tell the rest of the story and make sure that we understand it. NASCAR is liable to say, "That's none of your business." Well, wait a minute. Why isn't it? You're making it everybody's business by making an example of the 48 team. Why don't you just sweep it under the rug, and nobody knows about it. What good is making a point if we don't understand why the point is being made? Knaus Top Crew Chief Posted Monday, December 30, 2002 RacingOne Report A combination of solid efforts and yearlong consistency both on the race track and in the pits was the formula for success that Chad Knaus used to win this year's IRWIN "Crew Chief of the Year" award. Each week throughout the 2002 NASCAR Winston Cup Series season, IRWIN partnered with the Performance Racing Network to select the crew chief that had the toughest day in the pits, but still managed to help his team to a strong finish. -- Crusader |
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So by that theory Sam, what are the "people" supposed to be able to do to win a race? |
Flawless pitstops.
Strategy concerning fuel/tires and in plate, drafting partners
when pitting.
sam
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Mike Marlow <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote: So by that theory Sam, what are the "people" supposed to be able to do to win a race? Drive without screwing up. Flawless pitstops. Strategy concerning fuel/tires and in plate, drafting partners when pitting. |
completely leaves out the concept of building a better car than your
competitor, which has been a foundation stone of racing. It isn't all about
these types of flawless on-track performances you suggest.
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mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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As well, it completely leaves out the concept of building a better car than your competitor, which has been a foundation stone of racing. |
trying to achieve.
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It isn't all about these types of flawless on-track performances you suggest. |
be so equal. Once the cars are equal, the only other equation
is the people.
sam
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Mike Marlow <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote: As well, it completely leaves out the concept of building a better car than your competitor, which has been a foundation stone of racing. May be a foundation, but its not what NASCAR is currently trying to achieve. |
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It isn't all about these types of flawless on-track performances you suggest. I can't find any other reason for them wanting the cars to be so equal. Once the cars are equal, the only other equation is the people. |
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Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" covering the shock package to try and prevent Knaus' innovation from happening again. If they wanted it prevented, never to happen again, wouldn't that fall under heading of "cheating"? And if so, why weren't they penalized then and there? I mean these were a lot more highly engineered pieces than are springs that mysteriously "settle" over 400-500 miles, or bump stops, or things of the like... Between the u-bolts (2002), the shocks last year, and now this, I'd be very surprised if Chad isn't benched for a time, a couple of races at least. The Anti-Earnhardt crowd has never yelled favoritism as loud as it will be yelled next week by the rest of us if they don't come down on Chad this go round. He's really painted himself into a corner IMO, though I doubt a long term ban is even on the table. Sucks for Jimmy Johnson, to have so much success, marred ever so slightly by a frequently blatent cheatin' ass CC. I wrote a column on the touchiness of the Knaus/Johnson team chemistry at the end of last season, and said they should go their own ways (as a compliment really, citing their ability to succeed with new blood/different teams). And, they almost did to read the various reports....I wonder now if Jimmy is wishing they had. I doubt it really, but one has to wonder. |
about it) that Chad wants out of his contract. Do you think he's
doing anything in hopes of being fired?
I do think the last idea was clever, just not followed thru with to
keep from getting caught.
Not that I admire cheating, but it is part of the sport. One of my
favorite things about this sport from long ago, was Junior Johnson, and
the stuff he tried to pull. Made me laugh.
Mz JJ
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SimRacer wrote: Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" covering the shock package to try and prevent Knaus' innovation from happening again. If they wanted it prevented, never to happen again, wouldn't that fall under heading of "cheating"? And if so, why weren't they penalized then and there? I mean these were a lot more highly engineered pieces than are springs that mysteriously "settle" over 400-500 miles, or bump stops, or things of the like... Between the u-bolts (2002), the shocks last year, and now this, I'd be very surprised if Chad isn't benched for a time, a couple of races at least. The Anti-Earnhardt crowd has never yelled favoritism as loud as it will be yelled next week by the rest of us if they don't come down on Chad this go round. He's really painted himself into a corner IMO, though I doubt a long term ban is even on the table. Sucks for Jimmy Johnson, to have so much success, marred ever so slightly by a frequently blatent cheatin' ass CC. I wrote a column on the touchiness of the Knaus/Johnson team chemistry at the end of last season, and said they should go their own ways (as a compliment really, citing their ability to succeed with new blood/different teams). And, they almost did to read the various reports....I wonder now if Jimmy is wishing they had. I doubt it really, but one has to wonder. It's no secret (though I don't recall reading anything on the group about it) that Chad wants out of his contract. Do you think he's doing anything in hopes of being fired? |
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I do think the last idea was clever, just not followed thru with to keep from getting caught. Not that I admire cheating, but it is part of the sport. One of my favorite things about this sport from long ago, was Junior Johnson, and the stuff he tried to pull. Made me laugh. Mz JJ |
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