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Cheatin' Chad 5-29-03
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Cheatin' Chad 5-29-03 -
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How is Harvick grabbing Biffle's clothes worse than Gordon spinning out Earnhardt, Jr.? The infraction probably isn't worse, but in NASCAR, things are sort of |
the penalty for him this year.
From another source after the '02 Daytona 400:
There's an adage widely held in stock car racing that if you're not
cheating, you're not trying. To that end, NASCAR has tried for the past 35
years to curb the enthusiasm of some team's underhanded tactics. Before
the 1967 Firecracker 400 at Daytona, NASCAR introduced templates that cars
must conform to in an attempt to cut down on illegal body tampering.
Forty-nine of the 50 cars entered failed to pass the template inspections.
Posted on Fri, Jul. 12, 2002
Knaus: Penalty just part of the job
By DAVID POOLE
The Charlotte Observer
Chad Knaus, crew chief for Winston Cup rookie star Jimmie Johnson,
said Friday the points penalty and fine levied by NASCAR against his
team this week comes with the territory.
"Being creative is my job," Knaus said. "If I am going to get fined
and penalized for being creative, then that's just part of it."
The team had 25 driver points and 25 car owner points deducted and
Knaus was fined $25,000 for the infraction, which inolved offset
bolts on the front trailing arms of Johnson's Chevrolet in
inspection before qualifying for last weekend's Pepsi 400.
Jeff Hammond states on 7/15/02:
I hate to see NASCAR take away points even before a race is run without
giving an explanation. If this was a guy's third offense, that's one
thing. Three strikes and you're out. But like Paul Harvey says, let's tell
the rest of the story and make sure that we understand it.
NASCAR is liable to say, "That's none of your business." Well, wait a
minute. Why isn't it? You're making it everybody's business by making an
example of the 48 team. Why don't you just sweep it under the rug, and
nobody knows about it. What good is making a point if we don't understand
why the point is being made?
Knaus Top Crew Chief Posted Monday, December 30, 2002
RacingOne Report
A combination of solid efforts and yearlong consistency both on the
race track and in the pits was the formula for success that Chad
Knaus used to win this year's IRWIN "Crew Chief of the Year" award.
Each week throughout the 2002 NASCAR Winston Cup Series season,
IRWIN partnered with the Performance Racing Network to select the
crew chief that had the toughest day in the pits, but still managed
to help his team to a strong finish.
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Crusader
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Posted to RASN 5/29/03 Cheatin' Chad I am a Chad Knaus fan & a JJ & Hendrick MS fan & hope this post does no harm, but perception especially by NA$CAR may go too far. Find below some interesting statements about 'Cheating': 5-27-03 Knaus fined $2500 for cooling the fuel pre-qualifying C600.-Removed 5-20-03 Knaus fined $1000 for unapproved air deflection pre-The Winston.-Removed 9-22-02 Knaus fined $5000 for using the F word during a live TV interview.-Intruder Alert 7-12-02 Knaus fined $25000 & first team to get a 25 point penalty pre-qualifying for using unapproved location of mounting bolts. 10-22-01 Knaus fined $750 for windshield clips being too small on #92. 3-9-01 Knaus fined $5000 & 2 race suspension for not having Mfr's date on seatbelt for #92 Melling & Stacy Compton. -Had proof of new belt the day before, Appeal Denied! -3 weeks after DE's death. From: "NASCARWife" <nascarwife (AT) aol (DOT) com Subject: Re: Fines Date: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:51 AM How is Harvick grabbing Biffle's clothes worse than Gordon spinning out Earnhardt, Jr.? The infraction probably isn't worse, but in NASCAR, things are sort of cummulative and Harvick was in trouble for fighting last year so they increase the penalty for him this year. From another source after the '02 Daytona 400: There's an adage widely held in stock car racing that if you're not cheating, you're not trying. To that end, NASCAR has tried for the past 35 years to curb the enthusiasm of some team's underhanded tactics. Before the 1967 Firecracker 400 at Daytona, NASCAR introduced templates that cars must conform to in an attempt to cut down on illegal body tampering. Forty-nine of the 50 cars entered failed to pass the template inspections. Posted on Fri, Jul. 12, 2002 Knaus: Penalty just part of the job By DAVID POOLE The Charlotte Observer Chad Knaus, crew chief for Winston Cup rookie star Jimmie Johnson, said Friday the points penalty and fine levied by NASCAR against his team this week comes with the territory. "Being creative is my job," Knaus said. "If I am going to get fined and penalized for being creative, then that's just part of it." The team had 25 driver points and 25 car owner points deducted and Knaus was fined $25,000 for the infraction, which inolved offset bolts on the front trailing arms of Johnson's Chevrolet in inspection before qualifying for last weekend's Pepsi 400. Jeff Hammond states on 7/15/02: I hate to see NASCAR take away points even before a race is run without giving an explanation. If this was a guy's third offense, that's one thing. Three strikes and you're out. But like Paul Harvey says, let's tell the rest of the story and make sure that we understand it. NASCAR is liable to say, "That's none of your business." Well, wait a minute. Why isn't it? You're making it everybody's business by making an example of the 48 team. Why don't you just sweep it under the rug, and nobody knows about it. What good is making a point if we don't understand why the point is being made? Knaus Top Crew Chief Posted Monday, December 30, 2002 RacingOne Report A combination of solid efforts and yearlong consistency both on the race track and in the pits was the formula for success that Chad Knaus used to win this year's IRWIN "Crew Chief of the Year" award. Each week throughout the 2002 NASCAR Winston Cup Series season, IRWIN partnered with the Performance Racing Network to select the crew chief that had the toughest day in the pits, but still managed to help his team to a strong finish. -- Crusader |
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Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" covering the shock package to try and prevent Knaus' innovation from happening again. If they wanted it prevented, never to happen again, wouldn't that fall under heading of "cheating"? And if so, why weren't they penalized then and there? I mean these were a lot more highly engineered pieces than are springs that mysteriously "settle" over 400-500 miles, or bump stops, or things of the like... |
an innovative way. That's the kind of innovation that doesn't need to be
stiffled.
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mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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| Simple Sim - because the shocks *were legal*. They were just installed in an innovative way. That's the kind of innovation that doesn't need to be stiffled. |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote ... Simple Sim - because the shocks *were legal*. They were just installed in an innovative way. That's the kind of innovation that doesn't need to be stiffled. but will be, which is the whole point of the CoT and the new formula nascar. |
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mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" |
Nascar said they didn't "fit the spirit" of the rules, but that's a
subjective judgment. That's why Nascar then changed the rules for
future issues on shocks like JJ's. Perfectly understandable to me.
Nascar is bent on nobody ever having an advantage - which seems
diametrically opposed to what a stock car race is all about.
N.
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SimRacer wrote: Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" They didn't get pinged because the shocks were legal, within the rules. Nascar said they didn't "fit the spirit" of the rules, but that's a subjective judgment. That's why Nascar then changed the rules for future issues on shocks like JJ's. Perfectly understandable to me. Nascar is bent on nobody ever having an advantage - which seems diametrically opposed to what a stock car race is all about. N. |
up on the "cookie cutter" cars and just put all the drivers
in iroc cars and be done with it...
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Nascar is bent on nobody ever having an advantage - which seems diametrically opposed to what a stock car race is all about. |
They want it to be a 'people' sport, where the people involved
are the difference in who wins or not. As opposed to the other
half of the F1 championship where the constructor who has the
most points wins.
sam
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Top posted to retain linearity of OP... I still scratch my head as to how they didn't really get pinged for the whole shock thing last year. They obviously engineered their rear shocks to make the car "not conform" to the rules during any given event in which they were used, but there were no penalities handed down. Just some "new rules" covering the shock package to try and prevent Knaus' innovation from happening again. If they wanted it prevented, never to happen again, wouldn't that fall under heading of "cheating"? And if so, why weren't they penalized then and there? I mean these were a lot more highly engineered pieces than are springs that mysteriously "settle" over 400-500 miles, or bump stops, or things of the like... Between the u-bolts (2002), the shocks last year, and now this, I'd be very surprised if Chad isn't benched for a time, a couple of races at least. The Anti-Earnhardt crowd has never yelled favoritism as loud as it will be yelled next week by the rest of us if they don't come down on Chad this go round. He's really painted himself into a corner IMO, though I doubt a long term ban is even on the table. Sucks for Jimmy Johnson, to have so much success, marred ever so slightly by a frequently blatent cheatin' ass CC. I wrote a column on the touchiness of the Knaus/Johnson team chemistry at the end of last season, and said they should go their own ways (as a compliment really, citing their ability to succeed with new blood/different teams). And, they almost did to read the various reports....I wonder now if Jimmy is wishing they had. I doubt it really, but one has to wonder. "Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:45f597F6fsp4U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... Posted to RASN 5/29/03 Cheatin' Chad I am a Chad Knaus fan & a JJ & Hendrick MS fan & hope this post does no harm, but perception especially by NA$CAR may go too far. Find below some interesting statements about 'Cheating': 5-27-03 Knaus fined $2500 for cooling the fuel pre-qualifying C600.-Removed 5-20-03 Knaus fined $1000 for unapproved air deflection pre-The Winston.-Removed 9-22-02 Knaus fined $5000 for using the F word during a live TV interview.-Intruder Alert 7-12-02 Knaus fined $25000 & first team to get a 25 point penalty pre-qualifying for using unapproved location of mounting bolts. 10-22-01 Knaus fined $750 for windshield clips being too small on #92. 3-9-01 Knaus fined $5000 & 2 race suspension for not having Mfr's date on seatbelt for #92 Melling & Stacy Compton. -Had proof of new belt the day before, Appeal Denied! -3 weeks after DE's death. From: "NASCARWife" <nascarwife (AT) aol (DOT) com Subject: Re: Fines Date: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:51 AM How is Harvick grabbing Biffle's clothes worse than Gordon spinning out Earnhardt, Jr.? The infraction probably isn't worse, but in NASCAR, things are sort of cummulative and Harvick was in trouble for fighting last year so they increase the penalty for him this year. From another source after the '02 Daytona 400: There's an adage widely held in stock car racing that if you're not cheating, you're not trying. To that end, NASCAR has tried for the past 35 years to curb the enthusiasm of some team's underhanded tactics. Before the 1967 Firecracker 400 at Daytona, NASCAR introduced templates that cars must conform to in an attempt to cut down on illegal body tampering. Forty-nine of the 50 cars entered failed to pass the template inspections. Posted on Fri, Jul. 12, 2002 Knaus: Penalty just part of the job By DAVID POOLE The Charlotte Observer Chad Knaus, crew chief for Winston Cup rookie star Jimmie Johnson, said Friday the points penalty and fine levied by NASCAR against his team this week comes with the territory. "Being creative is my job," Knaus said. "If I am going to get fined and penalized for being creative, then that's just part of it." The team had 25 driver points and 25 car owner points deducted and Knaus was fined $25,000 for the infraction, which inolved offset bolts on the front trailing arms of Johnson's Chevrolet in inspection before qualifying for last weekend's Pepsi 400. Jeff Hammond states on 7/15/02: I hate to see NASCAR take away points even before a race is run without giving an explanation. If this was a guy's third offense, that's one thing. Three strikes and you're out. But like Paul Harvey says, let's tell the rest of the story and make sure that we understand it. NASCAR is liable to say, "That's none of your business." Well, wait a minute. Why isn't it? You're making it everybody's business by making an example of the 48 team. Why don't you just sweep it under the rug, and nobody knows about it. What good is making a point if we don't understand why the point is being made? Knaus Top Crew Chief Posted Monday, December 30, 2002 RacingOne Report A combination of solid efforts and yearlong consistency both on the race track and in the pits was the formula for success that Chad Knaus used to win this year's IRWIN "Crew Chief of the Year" award. Each week throughout the 2002 NASCAR Winston Cup Series season, IRWIN partnered with the Performance Racing Network to select the crew chief that had the toughest day in the pits, but still managed to help his team to a strong finish. -- Crusader |
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Nancy1 <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote: Nascar is bent on nobody ever having an advantage - which seems diametrically opposed to what a stock car race is all about. They are bent on no car having an advantage. They want it to be a 'people' sport, where the people involved are the difference in who wins or not. As opposed to the other half of the F1 championship where the constructor who has the most points wins. |
win a race?
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mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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