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Default Collusion - 08-29-2007 , 04:25 PM






Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.
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Default Re: Collusion - 08-29-2007 , 05:12 PM







"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

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Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.
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Surely, you are not talking about our very own N??




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Default Re: Collusion - 08-29-2007 , 06:44 PM



In article "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
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Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.
You didn't mention how much more money the track owners get over last year?


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Default Re: Collusion - 08-29-2007 , 07:47 PM




"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

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Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.
--
Crusader


there are plenty of other racing series for owners to race in if they
dopn't like nascar.
being the most successful does not equal being a monopoly.




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Default Re: Collusion - 08-30-2007 , 04:12 PM



"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

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In article "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.

You didn't mention how much more money the track owners get over last year?

$100K? I have no way of getting that kind of info, u?
All i know is this newest TV contract is for 4.5B to 2.8B last contract.

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Default Re: Collusion - 08-30-2007 , 10:48 PM



On Aug 29, 7:47 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote:
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"Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message

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Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.
--
Crusader

there are plenty of other racing series for owners to race in if they
dopn't like nascar.
being the most successful does not equal being a monopoly.
Yes but controlling the production and all the elements to prevent
competition can be. IF Nascar was just a sanctioning body you might
have a point, but it isn't. Nascar is the France family, and the
controlling interest in a publicly traded company has one Lessa France
Kennedy as a majority share holder in International Speedway
Corporation that owns most of the major tracks in the country. Nascar
also controls most of the development series that a driver must
progress through for the most part to get to cup. The Trucks, Busch
and more importantly the Nascar Weekly Racing series at all the local
short tracks puts a fairly strong hold on competition. Add to that
Nascar owns CASCAR, the Canadian stock car racing series. The other
stock car racing series are also heavily reliant on the Frances. ARCA
races on Nascar tracks on Nascar weekends. Do you really think they
can push Nascar?

The old industrial revolution giants of industry got rid of
competition by simply just controlling the means so that another
company has not chance to compete. A coal or oil company would not
only buy the mines or wells, they bought the railroads that got the
product to market. If another company tried to mine or drill in the
area they found no way to get their product to market. IF they did,
they often found their their competition had bought out the
distributor and effectively had control of the industry from the raw
material stage to finished product. That make it impossible for a
competing company to effectively enter the market. I think an
argument could be made that Nascar could easily be in exactly the same
position.



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Default Re: Collusion - 08-31-2007 , 03:51 PM



Thanx Mark for 'defining' collusion!
It would be fantastic if a major Racin' Writer would take the time
to do an investigative report on the subject of
why all the Track Owners in '07 have ONLY increased their purses
by $100K, every dayumbed one of them, despite almost a doubling of
TV income for the next 8 years.
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"Mark" <mblackwell1958 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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On Aug 29, 7:47 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote:
"Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message

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Collusion
Why have every track owner's purses only increased by $100K over 2006?
Is it collusion amongst them?
Or does it have something to do with the 8 yr agreement between
N and ESPN, FOX?
There oughtta be another investigation into N's Dictatorship.
--
Crusader

there are plenty of other racing series for owners to race in if they
dopn't like nascar.
being the most successful does not equal being a monopoly.

Yes but controlling the production and all the elements to prevent
competition can be. IF Nascar was just a sanctioning body you might
have a point, but it isn't. Nascar is the France family, and the
controlling interest in a publicly traded company has one Lessa France
Kennedy as a majority share holder in International Speedway
Corporation that owns most of the major tracks in the country. Nascar
also controls most of the development series that a driver must
progress through for the most part to get to cup. The Trucks, Busch
and more importantly the Nascar Weekly Racing series at all the local
short tracks puts a fairly strong hold on competition. Add to that
Nascar owns CASCAR, the Canadian stock car racing series. The other
stock car racing series are also heavily reliant on the Frances. ARCA
races on Nascar tracks on Nascar weekends. Do you really think they
can push Nascar?

The old industrial revolution giants of industry got rid of
competition by simply just controlling the means so that another
company has not chance to compete. A coal or oil company would not
only buy the mines or wells, they bought the railroads that got the
product to market. If another company tried to mine or drill in the
area they found no way to get their product to market. IF they did,
they often found their their competition had bought out the
distributor and effectively had control of the industry from the raw
material stage to finished product. That make it impossible for a
competing company to effectively enter the market. I think an
argument could be made that Nascar could easily be in exactly the same
position.




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