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Re: Dale Jr goes track building -
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This sounds to me like some con artist, I mean financial consultant talked him and his siblings into investing in this thing. |
a guy who knows a hundred ways to make love but doesn't know any women.
'Seems to fit real well when money comes into the picture.
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"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns983DD0BC6C379pogosupernews (AT) 216 (DOT) 168.3.30... I suspect this endeavour is simply a case of Dale Jr likeing racetracks, and dragging his siblings along because he's too busy to watch after one. This sounds to me like some con artist, I mean financial consultant talked him and his siblings into investing in this thing. |
so there's some evidence he just likes racetracks.
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The market there is big enough to support a track that brings in the Hooters Cup and such like touring series. It certainly is. I may have read the release wrong (Is that possible?), but I thought that the facility called for a dirt track road course, drag strip and RV park |
suit the Pro Cup, ARCA, IRL, USAC Silver Crown...it's a good size
for a lot of series. Still short enough for a weekly program too,
if they wanted to, altho I'd guess they wouldn't.
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Having the Earnhardt name on the facility will help, but I seriously doubt he would be involved in it like Tony is at Eldora. Jr. doesn't have a whole lot (if any) experience in this kind of racing. |
dirt classes would be a new concept.
John
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"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in news  MbOg.40824$QM6.14198 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net:"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns983DD0BC6C379pogosupernews (AT) 216 (DOT) 168.3.30... I suspect this endeavour is simply a case of Dale Jr likeing racetracks, and dragging his siblings along because he's too busy to watch after one. This sounds to me like some con artist, I mean financial consultant talked him and his siblings into investing in this thing. Could be. But Dale owns part of a track somewhere else (Paducah?), so there's some evidence he just likes racetracks. |
and Johnny Benson and Ken Schrader all being track execs, it's not too hard
to see why Junior would be into that too. Seems to be the growing trend.
Either owning a track, a dealership (or several), or a "driving experience"
since DJ, JG and the Pettys all have one of those. (DJ & JG of course, also
have car dealerships, here in NC anyway, if not in places beyond.)
Maybe Junior is just forgoing a dealership and is going with race track
ownership and TV production companies for now. (He owns Hammerhead
Productions, producer of his "Back in the Day" teevee show...) Now that he
again owns his own name, there's no telling what will popup with it on it.
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The market there is big enough to support a track that brings in the Hooters Cup and such like touring series. It certainly is. I may have read the release wrong (Is that possible?), but I thought that the facility called for a dirt track road course, drag strip and RV park Beleive there's intended to be a 0.7 mile paved oval, too. That'd suit the Pro Cup, ARCA, IRL, USAC Silver Crown...it's a good size for a lot of series. Still short enough for a weekly program too, if they wanted to, altho I'd guess they wouldn't. |
so worn out length for a paved oval in a land where .3-.5 mile ovals are the
rule.
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Having the Earnhardt name on the facility will help, but I seriously doubt he would be involved in it like Tony is at Eldora. Jr. doesn't have a whole lot (if any) experience in this kind of racing. Pavement late models, he does, but I'll grant you that all the dirt classes would be a new concept. |
Likely a pretty new concept to him outside of being a fan, and simulated
racer of course.... When online "simracing" first got going good (beyond
"Hawaii", Papyrus' first online NASCAR venture before NASCAR 99 and TEN came
along) the first time I ran online with Junior was in a sim called Dirt
Track Racin' - where he was pretty good actually. It's followup release had
sprint cars in it, and is where I discovered that I did NOT have the
aptitude to setup nor drive a winged sprint car. NASCAR Racing 3 came out
shortly after (2000 maybe?) and I stuck with "what I knew" from then on. lol
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| I seem to remember his involvement with a KY track, no doubt. ANd with Tony, and Johnny Benson and Ken Schrader all being track execs, it's not too hard to see why Junior would be into that too. Seems to be the growing trend. Either owning a track, a dealership (or several), or a "driving experience" since DJ, JG and the Pettys all have one of those. (DJ & JG of course, also have car dealerships, here in NC anyway, if not in places beyond.) |
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Maybe Junior is just forgoing a dealership and is going with race track ownership and TV production companies for now. (He owns Hammerhead Productions, producer of his "Back in the Day" teevee show...) Now that he again owns his own name, there's no telling what will popup with it on it. .7 Mile paved oval? Sounds a lot like Richmond....Definitely a good and not so worn out length for a paved oval in a land where .3-.5 mile ovals are the rule. |
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| He's stated on several occasions that he's never run on dirt, so I agree. Likely a pretty new concept to him outside of being a fan, and simulated racer of course.... When online "simracing" first got going good (beyond "Hawaii", Papyrus' first online NASCAR venture before NASCAR 99 and TEN came along) the first time I ran online with Junior was in a sim called Dirt Track Racin' - where he was pretty good actually. It's followup release had sprint cars in it, and is where I discovered that I did NOT have the aptitude to setup nor drive a winged sprint car. NASCAR Racing 3 came out shortly after (2000 maybe?) and I stuck with "what I knew" from then on. lol That must be the Aussie Dirt Track Racing. Ratbag was the software company, |
fairly well in the sprint car sim. I haven't played it in a couple of
years, but I liked it for some of the tracks in the sim. Very close to the
ones that I had been to.
I did "okay" on the NASCAR sim, but never went on line, and never really had
the interest to play for as long as would be needed.
Carey in Manvel
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"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:9QDOg.36934$lk6.9827 (AT) tornado (DOT) southeast.rr.com... I seem to remember his involvement with a KY track, no doubt. ANd with Tony, and Johnny Benson and Ken Schrader all being track execs, it's not too hard to see why Junior would be into that too. Seems to be the growing trend. Either owning a track, a dealership (or several), or a "driving experience" since DJ, JG and the Pettys all have one of those. (DJ & JG of course, also have car dealerships, here in NC anyway, if not in places beyond.) Don't forget Dave Blaney. |
car to take people around it in.
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Maybe Junior is just forgoing a dealership and is going with race track ownership and TV production companies for now. (He owns Hammerhead Productions, producer of his "Back in the Day" teevee show...) Now that he again owns his own name, there's no telling what will popup with it on it. .7 Mile paved oval? Sounds a lot like Richmond....Definitely a good and not so worn out length for a paved oval in a land where .3-.5 mile ovals are the rule. Isn't there a track in central Florida that is about that size, too? |
the mid 1990s, and have never been to Homestead at all. Are you talking
about the one that all the Cuppers were testing on prior to the 500 this
year? I think the Pro Cup guys run one there too. Is it Lakeland?
Clearwater?Dunno....
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| He's stated on several occasions that he's never run on dirt, so I agree. Likely a pretty new concept to him outside of being a fan, and simulated racer of course.... When online "simracing" first got going good (beyond "Hawaii", Papyrus' first online NASCAR venture before NASCAR 99 and TEN came along) the first time I ran online with Junior was in a sim called Dirt Track Racin' - where he was pretty good actually. It's followup release had sprint cars in it, and is where I discovered that I did NOT have the aptitude to setup nor drive a winged sprint car. NASCAR Racing 3 came out shortly after (2000 maybe?) and I stuck with "what I knew" from then on. lol That must be the Aussie Dirt Track Racing. Ratbag was the software company, wasn't it? I don't consider myself a very good driver, but I was able to do fairly well in the sprint car sim. I haven't played it in a couple of years, but I liked it for some of the tracks in the sim. Very close to the ones that I had been to. |
Racing, on the net it was simply referred to as "DTR" in discussion groups
and such.
I think Ratbag toyed with the idea of releasing an Aussie V8 Supercar sim,
but never did. Kept DTR going and added winged sprints to it in version 2. I
can't recall ever seeing an Aussie DTR, but I am not an authority on the
matter.
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I did "okay" on the NASCAR sim, but never went on line, and never really had the interest to play for as long as would be needed. |
keyboard and mouse? The "only way to fly" with racing sims is with a decent
wheel input device. I used a Logitech Wingman FF for a while, but detested
their "force feedback" (too phoney feeling), so I ended up with a Thomas.
http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/ (click on the "feedback" link to see who
uses it - Hint: That's DTR on the computer in front of Junior, NASCAR Racing
with Newman, Edwards, etc) My original wheel (TSW2 Cup circa 1999) connected
via the gameport, and later they came out with a USB upgrade kit that I
installed, and it still works great to this day and has raced 10s of
thousands of laps across various sim and game titles. They're pricey at $300
and up, but are worth it to the hard core. And honestly, are cheap compared
to the BRD units from England/across the pond -
http://www.interactiveracing.com/
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Carey in Manvel |
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"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:9QDOg.36934$lk6.9827 (AT) tornado (DOT) southeast.rr.com... .7 Mile paved oval? Sounds a lot like Richmond....Definitely a good and not so worn out length for a paved oval in a land where .3-.5 mile ovals are the rule. Isn't there a track in central Florida that is about that size, too? |
the "home track" of the Hooters Pro Cup, and was owned by Bob
Brooks, onetime head man at Hooters.
Five Flags & New Symrna are both 0.5, that's the other two
"major" speedways in the state.
The thing with the .3 to .5 mile ovals is that those are the
"right size" for a weekly track. Longer than that the bombers
and pure stocks don't put on a real good show because they're
too slow & get too strung out, while the streets & late models
get going too fast for the skill level of the competitors.
0.5 is about perfect for a weekly show. But for the touring
series, like the Pro Cup, it's nice to see them run a bigger
track like a .75 or mile.
John
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| I did forget to mention him, but he has a track and IIRC, a 2 seat sprint car to take people around it in. |
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on TV there some years ago and I am too lazy to check out
www.chasinracin.com
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I think Ratbag toyed with the idea of releasing an Aussie V8 Supercar sim, but never did. Kept DTR going and added winged sprints to it in version 2. I can't recall ever seeing an Aussie DTR, but I am not an authority on the matter. |
and stock cars are very popular there.
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used the game port. I couldn't imagine using it any other way. I did
better manualy shifting, especially on the road courses. I just don't have
enough interest to play. Since I bought this computer (three years ago) I
haven't loaded either game, or bought a USB wheel. Like I said, I don't
have the patience for driving games; but I do play others.
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Carey in Manvel |
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"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in news:f9EOg.149854$5i3.44110 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net: ? USA International (otherwise known as Lakeland) is .75. That's the "home track" of the Hooters Pro Cup, and was owned by Bob Brooks, onetime head man at Hooters. |
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Five Flags & New Symrna are both 0.5, that's the other two "major" speedways in the state. The thing with the .3 to .5 mile ovals is that those are the "right size" for a weekly track. Longer than that the bombers and pure stocks don't put on a real good show because they're too slow & get too strung out, while the streets & late models get going too fast for the skill level of the competitors. 0.5 is about perfect for a weekly show. But for the touring series, like the Pro Cup, it's nice to see them run a bigger track like a .75 or mile. Agreed. Open wheel cars like the USAC champ cars or their old counter |
is 5/8. Hell, even the midgets put on one hell of a show there.
Carey in Manvel
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| It is called something like Florida International Speedway and either Lakeland or Clearwater sound right. I recall seeing some Hooters Cup races on TV there some years ago and I am too lazy to check out www.chasinracin.com It's in Lakeland. About 30 miles west of Orlando. |
often do testing there. It's a short track very similar to Richmond.
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The thing with the .3 to .5 mile ovals is that those are the "right size" for a weekly track. Longer than that the bombers and pure stocks don't put on a real good show because they're too slow & get too strung out, while the streets & late models get going too fast for the skill level of the competitors. 0.5 is about perfect for a weekly show. But for the touring series, like the Pro Cup, it's nice to see them run a bigger track like a .75 or mile. Agreed. Open wheel cars like the USAC champ cars or their old counter parts, the Big Car series are great on tracks like that and IRP (ORP) which is 5/8. Hell, even the midgets put on one hell of a show there. |
seen on the TV, FWIW). I thought the show was much better at
the Speeddrome, or at places like Winchester.
But as you say, for big cars like the champ cars or late models,
anything from 5/8 to a mile is suitable (for a touring series,
where most of the drivers have some experience). Longer than
that is usually asking for trouble (as the annual ARCA wreckfest
at Daytona shows). Even for the Cup cars, I've always enjoyed
the races at the shorter tracks more , with Darlington &
Rockingham being about as long as I thought they needed.
John
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