Dodge in trouble

#11

On 2006-02-15 17:54:53 -0500, "SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> said:

Quote:

"Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:45hmd9F6qm52U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net...
Apparently nickles & dimes mean more to Dodge
than driver/fan loyalty?

Yes, See the converse between me and Julia regarding Daimler's corporate
actions of late on down the topic list (Davis Loses to Goliath thread).
Mainly about BDR and Mopar issues with support outside of the
Evernham/Penske/Ganassi mafioso, but I rail on them for their incredibly
heavy handed tactics in and out of racing since becoming D-C.

yet you haven't mentioned a single violation that they have committed.
You haven't named one contract that they have broken. Yep, they're
tough ~ no doubt about it, but the business world is tough, to be
successful you had better be tough yourself.

Quote:

And reading the words "sanctity" and "contract" in the same paragraph is
simply a hoot. Especially when speaking of NASCAR. A million dollar
contract, in any sport IMO, isn't worth the paper it's written on today.

While that may be true, it doesn't excuse the behavior, nor does it
negate the right of those who wronged to seek and receive damages.

Quote:

Minds change, and so do opinions. Given that written contracts are simply
formal recordations of verbal agreements, they're basically worthless if one
of the parties changes their mind down the road.

Ya see Sim, that's why it is in writing.... all the negotiations and
mind changing is supposed to be worked out at that point ~ it's the
attitude that the contract means nothing that forces companies to adopt
stricter stands, so they are not walked all over.

Quote:

Just ask Jamie McMurray and
Kurt Busch. They had "solid contracts" through 2006, yet aren't at those
teams anymore....

come again..... there is nothing "solid" about a contract with an
option that had not been picked up ~ especially when the owner told him
his job was not secure.

some sanctity indeed. Given that the divorce rate is still

Quote:

hovering around 50%, IMO, that makes marriage one of the most sanctimonious
contracts left in the world, in spite of its 50% failure rate. What should
that tell us about every other contract out there?

It should tell you that marriage is personal contract between to people
based on emotions ~ it's a completely separate issue from business
contracts.

Quote:

Dodge fined Petty for driving a Chevy
SCENEDAILY - FEBRUARY 15, 2006 - BY BOB POCKRASS -
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Kyle Petty did a favor for Richard Childress
Racing
and driver Kevin Harvick in 2004, and he paid $45,000 for it.
Dodge fined Petty $45,000 when the veteran relieved Harvick in the
Sharpie 500
at Bristol in August 2004. Harvick complained that he had lost
feeling
in his left arm and Petty, a Dodge driver, took over for Harvick in
the
RCR Chevrolet.

Petty, whose car was already out of the race, did not have
permission from
Dodge to drive the Chevy, and Dodge promptly fined him for breaching
their contract.
Dodge didn't announce the fine, but it was revealed in
***depositions released during their recently completed trial involving
Bill Davis Racing.

"Initially it was a shock just because that's just a given in the
sport -
if a driver is down, everybody rallies and tries to help him out,"
Petty said Feb. 11. "Kevin was sick; Kevin felt bad, so I drove the
car.
"When I got a phone call and a legal letter that said I owed them
$45,000,
that was a little bit of a shock.
But at the same time, they were exactly right.
I have a contract to drive for Dodge."

Dodge Motorsports Director of Operations John Fernandez said
Feb. 10 that he believed Petty's violation of their contract was
inadvertent but that the manufacturer must protect the sanctity of
its contracts.
"That was definitely a violation of the contract, and I think we
took
appropriate action," Fernandez said. "If you know the history of the
sport,
10 years ago, that would be acceptable. These days it is not
acceptable."

--
Crusader

--
...."I dreamed the devil and the Lord, they were dancing arm in arm"...
$1 to Dave from "JTR"

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3655

#12

"jerry" <ohah (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"Ralph Hutchinson" <a78be3 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:TMQIf.81475$QW2.8688 (AT) dukeread08 (DOT) ..

"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:iDNIf.403398$qk4.263953 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...

"Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:45hmd9F6qm52U1 (AT) individual (DOT) net...
Apparently nickles & dimes mean more to Dodge
than driver/fan loyalty?

Dodge fined Petty for driving a Chevy
SCENEDAILY - FEBRUARY 15, 2006 - BY BOB POCKRASS -
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Kyle Petty did a favor for Richard
Childress Racing
and driver Kevin Harvick in 2004, and he paid $45,000 for it.
Dodge fined Petty $45,000 when the veteran relieved Harvick in the
Sharpie 500
at Bristol in August 2004. Harvick complained that he had lost
feeling
in his left arm and Petty, a Dodge driver, took over for Harvick
in the
RCR Chevrolet.

Petty, whose car was already out of the race, did not have
permission from
Dodge to drive the Chevy, and Dodge promptly fined him for
breaching their contract.
Dodge didn't announce the fine, but it was revealed in
***depositions released during their recently completed trial
involving
Bill Davis Racing.

"Initially it was a shock just because that's just a given in the
sport -
if a driver is down, everybody rallies and tries to help him out,"
Petty said Feb. 11. "Kevin was sick; Kevin felt bad, so I drove
the car.
"When I got a phone call and a legal letter that said I owed them
$45,000,
that was a little bit of a shock.
But at the same time, they were exactly right.
I have a contract to drive for Dodge."

Dodge Motorsports Director of Operations John Fernandez said
Feb. 10 that he believed Petty's violation of their contract was
inadvertent but that the manufacturer must protect the sanctity of
its contracts.
"That was definitely a violation of the contract, and I think we
took
appropriate action," Fernandez said. "If you know the history of
the sport,
10 years ago, that would be acceptable. These days it is not
acceptable."

So why do they continue to sponsor Stewart, whose entire fleet of open
wheel teams wear MOPAR sponsorship?

#1. Do any of you even know that Stewart has the same provision in his
contract? Perhaps he negotiated some exceptions since he knew he was
going to need to drive those other cars.

#2. I was a Petty fan for booko years and still have a soft spot in my
heart for them. But a contract is a contract. The Pettys should have
known the clause was in the contract and followed it or got a waiver for
this race. I agree that it is kind of petty (pardon the pun) to fine
Kyle, but Dodge also has to enforce the contract or it can become totally
null and void.

DEIfan

who do you think covered the fine?

Well, let's see. If it wasn't Petty then who was it? And what difference
does it make?

DEIfan

#13

Sounds like they treated him just like a good customer. I drive one but will
never buy one again.

beekeep

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:58:55 -0500, "Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

Apparently nickles & dimes mean more to Dodge
than driver/fan loyalty?

Dodge fined Petty for driving a Chevy
SCENEDAILY - FEBRUARY 15, 2006 - BY BOB POCKRASS -
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Kyle Petty did a favor for Richard Childress Racing
and driver Kevin Harvick in 2004, and he paid $45,000 for it.
Dodge fined Petty $45,000 when the veteran relieved Harvick in the Sharpie 500
at Bristol in August 2004. Harvick complained that he had lost feeling
in his left arm and Petty, a Dodge driver, took over for Harvick in the
RCR Chevrolet.

Petty, whose car was already out of the race, did not have permission from
Dodge to drive the Chevy, and Dodge promptly fined him for breaching their contract.
Dodge didn't announce the fine, but it was revealed in
***depositions released during their recently completed trial involving
Bill Davis Racing.

"Initially it was a shock just because that's just a given in the sport -
if a driver is down, everybody rallies and tries to help him out,"
Petty said Feb. 11. "Kevin was sick; Kevin felt bad, so I drove the car.
"When I got a phone call and a legal letter that said I owed them $45,000,
that was a little bit of a shock.
But at the same time, they were exactly right.
I have a contract to drive for Dodge."

Dodge Motorsports Director of Operations John Fernandez said
Feb. 10 that he believed Petty's violation of their contract was
inadvertent but that the manufacturer must protect the sanctity of its contracts.
"That was definitely a violation of the contract, and I think we took
appropriate action," Fernandez said. "If you know the history of the sport,
10 years ago, that would be acceptable. These days it is not acceptable."

--
Crusader

#14

<noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <Xns976BBE70CE26Apogosupernews (AT) 216 (DOT) 168.3.30>,
John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote in
news:noone-6610DE.17223315022006 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com:

In article
iDNIf.403398$qk4.263953 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote:

So why do they continue to sponsor Stewart, whose entire fleet of
open wheel teams wear MOPAR sponsorship?

Carey in Manvel

Stewart hasn't been in open wheel since he was the #4 driver for
Ganassi at Indy.

You seem to have missed the fact that Stewart owns a WoO team
(those are open wheel cars).

Ah, a newbie.

No, they aren't.

When do they run Long Beach?

BWAAAHAAAHAAhaahaaahaaaahahahahaha... Troll.

#15

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

Quote:

noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote in

You seem to have missed the fact that Stewart owns a WoO team
(those are open wheel cars). He owns a USAC midget team (those
are open wheel cars). He owns a USAC sprint team (those are
open wheel cars, he seems to run 2 of them). Heck, Stewart
even owns a racetrack (Eldora) where they race open wheel cars.
Tony is seriously into open wheel.

He also co-owns a champ car with Ziggy Snider.

All MOPAR powered and sponsored.

Carey in Manvel

#16

<noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Ah, a newbie.

Ah, a maroon.

Quote:

No, they aren't.

By definition, they are. And some of the oldest type.

Quote:

When do they run Long Beach?

And when do the cars that run Long Beach run Indy?

Oh, never.

Carey in Manvel

#17

"Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

WTH do i know about those itty-bitty open wheel cars?
Maybe Tony won't tell Beast what Mopar is running?
Point was, how chicken-shit can Dodge get by fining Kyle Petty?
Then keeping it quiet for 2 years.
Hello Toyota, Goodbye Dodge.

And my point is that Tony, a "Chevy" man in Cup, where he is paid to be one,
is a MOPAR man when it comes to buying his racing equipment. In fact, his
USAC team is called "Team MOPAR" as noted in this article from last year:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3770134 (It was a great week of
racing, too). The folks at Daimler Benz don't seem to have much of an issue
with their Team MOPAR owner being identified with Chevrolet, yet fine Kyle
Petty for helping out a bro.

Carey in Manvel

#18

<noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

No, he doesn't. Mercedes left CART in about '99.

You are mistaking ChampCar(c) for champ car. Of course, even CART didn't

call their cars "ChampCars (c)" until the Indy term was taken away.

Carey in Manvel

#19

"Ralph Hutchinson" <a78be3 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

"jerry" <ohah (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:zQQIf.16132$rH5.15236 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net...

who do you think covered the fine?

Well, let's see. If it wasn't Petty then who was it? And what difference
does it make?

DEIfan

I think the point 'jerry' was trying to make is there might have been a

discussion prior to Petty getting into the Chevy as to what problems it
might create and who would cover any of the cost.

#20

noone (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote in
news:noone-0A54A4.00121916022006 (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com:

Quote:

Ah, a newbie.

Doggone, you and Alan Jones really have me pegged :-)

Quote:

When do they run Long Beach?

Soon as they tear up the pavement and make it dirt track,
I guess.

If you can't wait for that, I beleive they're running
Bakersfield, over across the mountains, sometime in
March.

John