Dumb suggestion for restrictor races:

Since "most drivers" are bitching about the pack racing at restrictor
tracks, why not just remove both the wing and spoiler at those tracks?

The look stupid anyway and IMHO have no place on a "stock" car.

It would be a hellova lot cheaper and easier that removing the
banking.

DAVe wrote:
It's not stupid, I've mentioned the same thing before.

"TS02_05champ" <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Works for me. If they don't want the high speeds, why do they put what
amounts to "body kits" which are designed, mainly for speed?

On May 6, 1:06*am, "Riley 77" <rileyflor... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
the "body kits" remove speed do they not? the teams sacrifice their
speed for the downforce those provide, and at these plate tracks the
rear spoiler is probably at the lowest setting anyways, as out of the
way as possible. I'll admit they look stupid, but without those things
on the cot, the car would be incredibly unstable, especially when
approaching 200 mph.
i understand where you're coming from though.

Fish wrote:
Unstable = the lesser drivers slowing down. Especially at Daytona where
they have to let off anyway.

On Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59:41 -0400, TS02_05champ
<tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Actually, that's not how it works...and they only lift late in a run
at Daytona.

One, lesser drivers have nothing to do with the "aero grip" the wings
provide the CoT. Not even Kyle Busch could keep a 3400# car going
200mph under control going into a turn without some aero grip - the
tires do NOT provide enough mechanical grip to cope with the
g-loads/inertia. Moral, without downforce, they ALL would be much
slower and the "better" drivers whose nuts outgrow their brains would
wreck - period. Watch an F1 race sometime - observe what happens to
someone who loses a wing and tries to make the next turn. Has less to
do with talent and everything to do with physics.

Two, even at Daytona, drivers only lift when trying to avoid an
accident. What they do up until that point, and up until the point at
which their tires are worn so bad that the mechanical grip is fading,
is actually ride their brakes. If you "lift" at a plate track when no
one else does, it looks like you lifted and hit the brakes at the same
time - you get left behind, or worse, rear-ended. No, you keep your
right foot planted to keep RPMs up (the life blood of a plate engine)
and use your left foot and the brake pedal to slow enough to turn,
stay behind someone, and/or bump draft. Lifting, per se, at a plate
track is a misnomer. Some drivers may refer to "dragging on the
brake", they literally mean brake as hard as I have to to keep from
hitting the car in front of him too hard, or just hard enough to get
the car to turn - they seldom lift unless it is the last option (wreck
avoidance). When you lift in a plate restricted car, you're toast.
It'll take you 10 times as long to wind back up (RPMs and momentum)
than it did for you to slow down - or am I the only one that notices
that it takes them like 2 full laps to get up to speed for qualifying?

On May 6, 4:59*pm, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:
actually when you put it that way, i kinda understand what you mean
now, i can picture that, but i think the resulting racing would be
similar to the spring atlanta race of 08. the drivers sliding
everywhere, and afraid to pass each other...bad for drivers and boring
for fans.

On May 5, 3:14*pm, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

doesn't make you stupid

SimRacer <simracer68NO (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in
news:1kd4055gp1212ksld605euaelpqdkodoot (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

In general, I'd agree with you, however for the specific case of
Talladega, I don't beleive this is so. The evidence from the
days when teams could pick their own rear shocks and spoiler angles
says that, with restrictor plate horsepower, they can run wide
open all the way around Dega with no aero downforce.

John

On May 7, 10:09*am, John McCoy <igop... (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:
Put the wing at an angle that lifts the rear above 170/180?

8^)