Elliott too short in post-race interview.

#41

"R a p p y" <rappy (AT) not (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Pretend your big wheel at Dodge and you're watching the race.........they
stick a mic
in Bill's face after a great run and he does what he did. Would you be
pissed?

It's not like the 9 and 19 get air time like that very often..........

Well, look at it this way... we're still talking about it, aren't we?

I bet Elliot's face is on more web pages this week than if he had said the
usual.

I think he was just pissed because he saw this as his best, maybe last
chance to win before he retires. No proof, just a guess. But a win in the
last few races of this year might be enough for him to feel like he could go
out on a high note.

-Russ.

#42

"R a p p y" <rappy (AT) not (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

We have basic differences in what we believe sponsors expect.
In the past decade drivers like Gordon have forever changed the landscape
in thar reguard IMHO. What main sponsors pay for a year now is 10-15
million.
That's a far cry from what it was in the past..... Winning is the ultimate
for a sponsor
in terms of exposure, but beyond that they want as much driver face time on
TV as they
can get. Elliott had not only he chance but IMHO the obligation to give the
customary
interviews. Yes they are drivers first..........but they are also
spokesman and if they can't
carry that off then sponsors will take their money elsewhere or demand a
driver change.

Rappy, you're letting your dislike of BE cloud your judgment. ;-)

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Mikey Waltrip is a
"sponsor whore" because he doesn't miss an opportunity to promote his
sponsors. BE is obviously pissed after coming up short in what may
well have been his last best chance to win the last race of his career
(and it's beginning to sound like people are starting to suspect the
12 team of something fishy) and doesn't appear to be all gleeful about
the Dodge Dealers Dodge having such a great run, and he's
shortchanging his sponsor. Just can't win...

Quote:

Sure in the case of former champions and top notch teams they will look the
other way most
of the time but the trend is that sponsors have more and more power in who
teams hire for a driver
and how the person acts. It's nearly as important to sponsors as on track
performance is.

BE is a former champion, he turned the fastest lap ever in NASCAR, won
the first Winston Million and is the sport's most popular driver in
terms of fan polls. His career pretty much speaks for itself. DE
didn't always go on and on about the Goodwrench Chevy -- in fact, I'm
not sure that he even mentioned his sponsors by name when he won the
Daytona 500 -- and no one really got up in arms about that. BE, JG,
RW, TS, the Labontes are breathing the rarefied air of being past
champions and their mere presence does as much sponsor advertising as
anything they could say.

Quote:

Pretend your big wheel at Dodge and you're watching the race.........they
stick a mic
in Bill's face after a great run and he does what he did. Would you be
pissed?

Probably not. That car got plenty of TV time that day because it was
pretty much the best car on the track. The camera is right on the big
"Dodge" logo on the front of his firesuit. Him saying the words "Dodge
Dealers Dodge" isn't going to make that much difference. And "great
run" is a matter of opinion. Last week, BE had the fastest car but he
lost on what amounted to a gas mileage race. Maybe he subscribes to
the "second place is just the first loser" theory.

Quote:

It's not like the 9 and 19 get air time like that very often..........

Beg to differ. They've both had some strong runs recently, there's
focus on BE because of the speculation that he might retire, and
Mayfield's been the bridesmaid so often here lately that they've
gotten plenty of TV exposure.

I've stayed out of this thread until now, but I think my past postings
show I fall on the side of "sponsors have too much power." Major
advertisers don't have any say in who edits the magazines or
newspapers in which they advertise; why should they necessarily have
as much power as they do over who drives the car on which they
advertise?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
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http://www.millenniumhwy.net hbelkins(at)mis.net

"There's no doubt he's the best race driver in the world."
--Dale Jarrett, on the late Dale Earnhardt

Go Big Blue (Kentucky Wildcats)! Go #15 (Michael Waltrip, NAPA Chevy)!

Vote Ernie Fletcher for Governor of Kentucky! http://www.fletcher2003.com

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#43

H.B. Elkins wrote:

Quote:

"R a p p y" <rappy (AT) not (DOT) com> wrote:

We have basic differences in what we believe sponsors expect.
In the past decade drivers like Gordon have forever changed the
landscape in thar reguard IMHO. What main sponsors pay for a year
now is 10-15 million.
That's a far cry from what it was in the past..... Winning is the
ultimate for a sponsor
in terms of exposure, but beyond that they want as much driver face
time on TV as they
can get. Elliott had not only he chance but IMHO the obligation to
give the customary
interviews. Yes they are drivers first..........but they are also
spokesman and if they can't
carry that off then sponsors will take their money elsewhere or
demand a driver change.

Rappy, you're letting your dislike of BE cloud your judgment. ;-)

My comments are about how Sponsors call the shots.........

Quote:

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Mikey Waltrip is a
"sponsor whore" because he doesn't miss an opportunity to promote his
sponsors.

Yup...........and that's what Sponsors are loking for.
That's why drivers can't do what Bill did very often..........

Sponsors won't stand for it........

BE is obviously pissed after coming up short in what may

Quote:

well have been his last best chance to win the last race of his career
(and it's beginning to sound like people are starting to suspect the
12 team of something fishy) and doesn't appear to be all gleeful about
the Dodge Dealers Dodge having such a great run, and he's
shortchanging his sponsor. Just can't win...

It wasn't the Dodge dealers Dodge........

Quote:

Sure in the case of former champions and top notch teams they will
look the other way most
of the time but the trend is that sponsors have more and more power
in who teams hire for a driver
and how the person acts. It's nearly as important to sponsors as
on track performance is.

BE is a former champion, he turned the fastest lap ever in NASCAR,

That's not correct...........
The fastest lap ever turned in NASCAR WAS BY A WOMAN
Not that I'm going to get into that all over again..............

Bill has the fastest qualifying lap..........
Not the fastest recorded lap in NASCAR history....

won

Quote:

the first Winston Million and is the sport's most popular driver in
terms of fan polls. His career pretty much speaks for itself. DE
didn't always go on and on about the Goodwrench Chevy -- in fact, I'm
not sure that he even mentioned his sponsors by name when he won the
Daytona 500 -- and no one really got up in arms about that. BE, JG,
RW, TS, the Labontes are breathing the rarefied air of being past
champions and their mere presence does as much sponsor advertising as
anything they could say.

Pretend your big wheel at Dodge and you're watching the
race.........they stick a mic
in Bill's face after a great run and he does what he did. Would
you be pissed?

Probably not. That car got plenty of TV time that day because it was
pretty much the best car on the track. The camera is right on the big
"Dodge" logo on the front of his firesuit. Him saying the words "Dodge
Dealers Dodge" isn't going to make that much difference.

Ah huh........... except that DISNEY sponsored him for that race.
He should have mentioned that as well as Dodge....

And "great

Quote:

run" is a matter of opinion. Last week, BE had the fastest car but he
lost on what amounted to a gas mileage race. Maybe he subscribes to
the "second place is just the first loser" theory.

It's not like the 9 and 19 get air time like that very
often..........

Beg to differ. They've both had some strong runs recently, there's
focus on BE because of the speculation that he might retire, and
Mayfield's been the bridesmaid so often here lately that they've
gotten plenty of TV exposure.

True........ this is typical NASCAR.
Get teams that are having trouble and near the end of the year they are
suddenly fast as hell.
Ever notice how a team that needs a sponsor bad can all of a sudden qualify
up front of get a top five they
have been needing all season? ;-)

Quote:

I've stayed out of this thread until now, but I think my past postings
show I fall on the side of "sponsors have too much power." Major
advertisers don't have any say in who edits the magazines or
newspapers in which they advertise; why should they necessarily have
as much power as they do over who drives the car on which they
advertise?

Because it's their money that's allowing the team to race.
That IS the way it is.........

Sponsors are having more and more clout in decisions on who's going to drive
and how they behave.

I never once said that i like it..........
i never once said that's the way it should be.........

I'm simply saying that's the way it is.........

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