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Default Few questions - 06-02-2008 , 01:03 PM






Is the shock packer that they did a little feature on yesterday the
same thing I hear referred to as a bump-stopper? What about Harvick's
car? I am impressed no one in his organization threw in the towel, but
I am suprised NASCAR allowed him to race in that condition, from a
safety perspective. I also notice that he was not losing any laps for
the most point, with a car with near-zero aero...and on a small track,
I might add.. Another question...at what point are the crew members
allowed over the wall as the car approaches, and is there an exception
for the eighth guy just to come out and grab the tear-off? Finally, is
there a formal procedure when a car goes from "off" to "out" of the
race? I assume they are required to notify NASCAR officially, but I am
not sure. Thanks. Sean

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Default Re: Few questions - 06-02-2008 , 09:56 PM






<BOSSFAN12 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

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Is the shock packer that they did a little feature on yesterday the
same thing I hear referred to as a bump-stopper?
B'leeve they both work toward getting the same effect - shock/suspension
travel limits - the packers are washer-like and are in various thickness,
installed on the shock shaft. The bump stops are mounted solidly to the
frame and adjusted to where the magic point is (they hope) for suspension
travel.

< What about Harvick's
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car? I am impressed no one in his organization threw in the towel, but
I am suprised NASCAR allowed him to race in that condition, from a
safety perspective. I also notice that he was not losing any laps for
the most point, with a car with near-zero aero...and on a small track,
I might add.
NASCAR requires all cars to maintain some pre-determined minimum speed for
each track and Harvick was able to maintain that and more. Nobody said the
CoT was 'sleek'!

Quote:
Another question...at what point are the crew members
allowed over the wall as the car approaches,
I think it's when their car first reaches the pit stall just upstream from
their own.

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and is there an exception
for the eighth guy just to come out and grab the tear-off?
That crewman is tasked with 'taking care of' the driver (tear-offs,
food/drink, clean shorts?) and it's only after so many laps (1/4 th of them,
maybe?) that NASCAR tells the crews they are allowed.

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Finally, is
there a formal procedure when a car goes from "off" to "out" of the
race? I assume they are required to notify NASCAR officially, but I am
not sure.
Yeppers, if you sometime listen to the tower freq, ya might hear an official
report to David Hoots that car # x has withdrawn.

Quote:
Thanks. Sean
YW,

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Default Re: Few questions - 06-03-2008 , 01:56 PM



Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.

Ctn 2 L66 Tony Raines stopped on track--MRN sed crew had to take off
the 2 new tires then put 'em back on cuz #34 wasn't using a Nascar-approved
air pressure gage! I never heard of such a thing before, u?

Does Nancy's 'BB' mean Booth Boys?
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Is the shock packer that they did a little feature on yesterday the
same thing I hear referred to as a bump-stopper?

B'leeve they both work toward getting the same effect - shock/suspension travel limits -
the packers are washer-like and are in various thickness, installed on the shock shaft.
The bump stops are mounted solidly to the frame and adjusted to where the magic point is
(they hope) for suspension travel.

What about Harvick's
car? I am impressed no one in his organization threw in the towel, but
I am suprised NASCAR allowed him to race in that condition, from a
safety perspective. I also notice that he was not losing any laps for
the most point, with a car with near-zero aero...and on a small track,
I might add.

NASCAR requires all cars to maintain some pre-determined minimum speed for each track
and Harvick was able to maintain that and more. Nobody said the CoT was 'sleek'!

Another question...at what point are the crew members
allowed over the wall as the car approaches,

I think it's when their car first reaches the pit stall just upstream from their own.

and is there an exception
for the eighth guy just to come out and grab the tear-off?

That crewman is tasked with 'taking care of' the driver (tear-offs, food/drink, clean
shorts?) and it's only after so many laps (1/4 th of them, maybe?) that NASCAR tells the
crews they are allowed.

Finally, is
there a formal procedure when a car goes from "off" to "out" of the
race? I assume they are required to notify NASCAR officially, but I am
not sure.

Yeppers, if you sometime listen to the tower freq, ya might hear an official report to
David Hoots that car # x has withdrawn.

Thanks. Sean

YW,

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Default Re: Few questions - 06-03-2008 , 08:12 PM



"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

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Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
Blush.

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While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.
Well, I didn't hear it mentioned on the tee-vee, had never heard the phrase
till you posted it and the only link that makes 'some sense' from a google
is

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3828/is_199905/ai_n8839474

The first 'graph sez:

"Dry interface brake corners developed by Delphi Automotive Systems will
help revolutionize future vehicle braking systems, say Delphi engineers who
are refining the technology. The self-contained dry interface corners store
brake fluid and house motor-based actuators, thus eliminating bulky
hydraulic brake system connections and components. The units also integrate
the wheel bearing, ABS speed sensor and steering knuckle, and offer enough
design flexibility to add a strut to provide a complete brake and suspension
module. The corners are designed to work with disc and/or drum brake
configurations."

It doesn't seem likely that NASCAR would be allowing such a thing...anyone
else got more?

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Ctn 2 L66 Tony Raines stopped on track--MRN sed crew had to take off
the 2 new tires then put 'em back on cuz #34 wasn't using a
Nascar-approved
air pressure gage! I never heard of such a thing before, u?
Nopers.

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Does Nancy's 'BB' mean Booth Boys?
Yeppers.

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Default Re: Few questions - 06-03-2008 , 09:32 PM



On Jun 3, 8:12 pm, "Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAML... (AT) bvunet (DOT) net> wrote:
Quote:
"Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Ctn 2 L66 Tony Raines stopped on track--MRN sed crew had to take off
the 2 new tires then put 'em back on cuz #34 wasn't using a
Nascar-approved
air pressure gage! I never heard of such a thing before, u?

Nopers.
Nascar does check air pressures when there is a tire problem. (GY
specs)


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Default Re: Few questions - 06-03-2008 , 09:46 PM



"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in
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Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.
You spelt it wrong...it's "dry break". It's the fitting which the
gas can plugs into, which in theory will close without spilling
fuel all over the place when the can is unplugged (hence the "dry"
part of the name). Originally developed for air-to-air refueling
of Air Force planes, if I'm not mistaken.

John


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Default Re: Few questions - 06-03-2008 , 10:07 PM




"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

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Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.

That's Drybreak, the coupler for the fuel filler.


http://www.alphaprocess.co.uk/sub_index.php?page=Drybreak-Couplings







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Default Re: Few questions - 06-04-2008 , 04:44 PM



"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

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"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in
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Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.

You spelt it wrong...it's "dry break". It's the fitting which the
gas can plugs into, which in theory will close without spilling
fuel all over the place when the can is unplugged (hence the "dry"
part of the name). Originally developed for air-to-air refueling
of Air Force planes, if I'm not mistaken.

John
Thanx John, hard to tell how to spell when verbal English, eh?
I can only guess that the #2 & #12 weren't getting a full load
of fuel cuz of malfunction in that junction?
CRU-thanking Tom also for a good attempt




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Default Re: Few questions - 06-04-2008 , 07:05 PM



"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in news:6aod77F38m584U1
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"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message
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"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in
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Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.

You spelt it wrong...it's "dry break". It's the fitting which the
gas can plugs into, which in theory will close without spilling
fuel all over the place when the can is unplugged (hence the "dry"
part of the name). Originally developed for air-to-air refueling
of Air Force planes, if I'm not mistaken.

John

Thanx John, hard to tell how to spell when verbal English, eh?
LOL.

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I can only guess that the #2 & #12 weren't getting a full load
of fuel cuz of malfunction in that junction?
The way the dry break works, is there's a spring loaded plate
that closes off the opening on the car, and a similar valve
in the end of the gas can spout. When you push the spout into
the dry break, it opens both up & fuel flows.

With Busch's car, the mounting flange for the dry break had
pulled loose from the body work, so when the gasman shoved the
spout in, it just pushed the dry break into the trunk, instead
of opening it up for fuel to flow.

Not sure if Newman had the same problem, or something else.

John


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Default Re: Few questions - 06-04-2008 , 08:36 PM



John McCoy wrote:
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"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in news:6aod77F38m584U1
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"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message
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"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in
news:6alf0lF370b57U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net:

Yeppers Tom, nice job as 'Answer Man'.
While yer at it--What's a Dry Brake? This was mentioned when both
the Penske cars had their trunk lids up.
You spelt it wrong...it's "dry break". It's the fitting which the
gas can plugs into, which in theory will close without spilling
fuel all over the place when the can is unplugged (hence the "dry"
part of the name). Originally developed for air-to-air refueling
of Air Force planes, if I'm not mistaken.

John
Thanx John, hard to tell how to spell when verbal English, eh?

LOL.

I can only guess that the #2 & #12 weren't getting a full load
of fuel cuz of malfunction in that junction?

The way the dry break works, is there's a spring loaded plate
that closes off the opening on the car, and a similar valve
in the end of the gas can spout. When you push the spout into
the dry break, it opens both up & fuel flows.

With Busch's car, the mounting flange for the dry break had
pulled loose from the body work, so when the gasman shoved the
spout in, it just pushed the dry break into the trunk, instead
of opening it up for fuel to flow.

Not sure if Newman had the same problem, or something else.

John
And who can say these are not stock cars. They *have* a trunk lid! and
it opens!

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