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A few thoughts on Dover
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Re: A few thoughts on Dover -
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The only reason he was guaranteed his spot was because he put himself in the spot. But like Ryan said he used the rules in place for that weekend and won. Its not Ryans fault and the win shouldnt be made any less. He still had to outrace everyone else and did so. |
yesterday and nobody else was able to do that. I wouldn't take anything
away from him or his win. I just don't like the circumstances that were
created by this rule change... of course he played the cards the right way
under the new rules though ~ no doubt about it
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Wins do not gaurantee rides. Nadeau comes to mind. He won one year and was out the next. Nemechek also. Both with Hendrick. Who Evernham use to work for. Hmmm. |
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Harvick will have to beat out Kenseth "if the team stays together" and Newman "if he finds that consistancy". Both have great teams. |
we weren't looking at a few years ago.
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Which is something I have beleieved all along. He just isnt taking any big chances like trying to stretch fuel mileage. He is playing it safer than he would if he were 12th and I cant blame him and his team at all. |
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I'm glad that it seems to be a minor concussion, hopefully he will have a speedy recovery. I believe that someone said that they will be implementing more driver's side safety measures after they introduce the escape hatches next week. I wonder what they are. It will be interesting. |
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I missed the first half of the pre race so I would like to know what was talked about if someone could be kind enough to elaborate? sorry, can't help you there. I missed it myself Then what good are you?  |
uhh... my Slip 'n Slide still works...
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Gee my head wasnt so swelled up until now. |
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) sprintmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bklh1v$2u1cl$1 (AT) ID-100220 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de... "Hawkeye" <hawkeyeia1 (AT) mnospamchsi (DOT) com> wrote in message news:jWobb.537289$YN5.359882 (AT) sccrnsc01 (DOT) .. As far as giving a free pass is concerned I am still undecided although I will admit something doesnt feel right about it. Still all the guys a lap down are now going to race each other even harder for that position which can make things interesting. I think that the rule will probably be tweaked more before the end of the year. I'm definitely against it. Makes no sense to me at all. Talk about an arbitrary rule... I don't agree with it either, but it's hardly arbitrary... seeing as how it's always the first car one lap down, everyone knows what it is. |
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"Hawkeye" <hawkeyeia1 (AT) mnospamchsi (DOT) com> wrote in news:4AJbb.550491$o%2.241334@sccrnsc02: I was mistaken in thinking they were installed but still would it have made a difference? He would have still had the head getting bumped around. Well, like I said, you can't ever tell. But, had there been soft walls the G forces as the car impacted would have been less, perhaps only half as much. That would likely mean the G forces experienced by Earnhardt's helmet hitting the seat would likewise be only half as much, which quite likely would not have "rung his bell". John |
certain amount of g force before it behaves any differently than a hard
wall. So far we haven't seen any information regarding what that threshold
is and it is very likely that the threshold is higher than what the human
body can absorb in certain types of contact. If it weren't then the wall
would not be effective in stopping a car.
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Hawkeye wrote: Ryan Newman - He was a lap down and he earned the spot back because he was in the right spot at the right time. He held off the strongest car besides him at the end of the race. He ran under the same rules as everyone else. Even if he had not gone a lap down the chances of the result being different are not likely. He won. Like it or not you cannot deny he is a good driver with a good car and team. I agree. I don't think anyone could argue that Ryan is capable of winning races under just about any circumstance. I just think the circumstances created by NASCAR with this particular rule are bogus... Ryan was gauranteed his spot on the restart so he was able to make sure that car was packed full of fuel - a luxury the rest of the cars did not have and what won him the race?!?! - the ability to stay out there, not come in for fuel or run out of it in the end. |
was that he'd be the last car on the lead lap at the start. Every single
one of the leaders had the option to come in and pit, and do the same thing
as Ryan did. But they didn't do it.
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| Jeremy Mayfield - Yet another good finish. He gave Ryan Newman a run at the end and he is obviously not pleased with 2nd place. Good. That means he wants to win and not just ride around collecting a paycheck. and it also could indicate that he is listening to those rumors about his job security... He may just think a win will gaurantee he keeps his ride, but I think the consistent runs that he has been having will do the trick for him. Tony Stewart, Kevin Harvick, Jeff Gordon - Strong finishes for three people who will be in the title hunt next year. yeah, I'm kinda hoping out of the three that Harvick is in it a little more than the other two... Jamie McMurray and Greg Biffle - Two rookies finishing 6th and 7th. Jamie keeps running good while Biffle is on an upside of his up and down year. I'll be happy as long as the Jamie finishing ahead of Biffle trend continues ... I'm pretty sure his lead increased to 17 points in the ROTY race, but that isn't an impossible one for Biffle to overcome... it may be difficult, but certainly not impossible. Matt Kenseth - Finished 9th after fighting the track and car all day. Still doing what needs to be done to win. Turning nothing into something. I was really impressed with his post race interview today for the same reason that you were impressed with Jeremy's... it was obvious that he was not satisfied with just a top ten. He is still hungry for the wins and doesn't seem to be content to just maintain his points lead. Dale Earnhardt Jr. - I hope he is ok and doesnt have a concussion. I thought I heard them say he was knocked out briefly. Joe Nemechek slams the wall and walks away feeling good. Dale hits on the drivers side and feels it. How long before there is crush zone of sorts on the drivers side? Is it possible without moving the driver more to the center? I wonder if the soft walls saved Dale from a more serious injury? I'm glad that it seems to be a minor concussion, hopefully he will have a speedy recovery. I believe that someone said that they will be implementing more driver's side safety measures after they introduce the escape hatches next week. I missed the first half of the pre race so I would like to know what was talked about if someone could be kind enough to elaborate? sorry, can't help you there. I missed it myself All the drivers seem to be in favor of the no racing back to the yellow. Some fans dont like it. Its one of those issues where your damned if you do and damned if you dont. I would like to know what happens on the last lap with two cars fighting for position and a yellow comes out. I think many more fans would support the rule if it weren't for the "free pass"... I think there is gonna be a lot more active fighting for that first car a lap down position ~ probably resulting in more cautions. As far as giving a free pass is concerned I am still undecided although I will admit something doesnt feel right about it. Still all the guys a lap down are now going to race each other even harder for that position which can make things interesting. I think that the rule will probably be tweaked more before the end of the year. It doesn't feel right because one person is given a free pass while the rest of the field has to deal with the cards the way they were dealt... it doesn't feel right because it isn't right. Well atleast its football season where on the tv now its. Browns vs. 49ers? Ugh. Oh well I got plenty to read. Well, unfortunately I missed my game this week... it was on the same time as the race, and we didn't get it in this area anyway ~ but it is still nice to know that the Bucs spanked the Falcons and Chucky is still da man!! (despite last week's fluke) Have a good day or night. You have a good night too... thanks again for your post... It gives me something to look forward to when I come to the lake on Sunday nights... -- ..."I'm so glad our paths crossed this time today ~ on our way into the night"... $1 to DMB ~ from "Granny" |
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kluhnagoh (AT) aol (DOT) cominbed (The Niggler) wrote in news:20030922185436.11637.00000044 (AT) mb-m04 (DOT) aol.com: if nascar was wrestling, the ref would have called for the bell.....his ass was out cold. Yet the incar camera shot showed an awake and talking Junior. Huh. He was out for a minute, maybe less. No big deal. Been there, done that! |
My bad... apparently the blackout came after the incar shot... yikes for
Junior.
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43fan wrote: "Julia" <privacy (AT) apremium (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Intbb.124$JM.234988 (AT) news4 (DOT) srv.hcvlny.cv.net... Hawkeye wrote: Ryan Newman - He was a lap down and he earned the spot back because he was in the right spot at the right time. He held off the strongest car besides him at the end of the race. He ran under the same rules as everyone else. Even if he had not gone a lap down the chances of the result being different are not likely. He won. Like it or not you cannot deny he is a good driver with a good car and team. I agree. I don't think anyone could argue that Ryan is capable of winning races under just about any circumstance. I just think the circumstances created by NASCAR with this particular rule are bogus... Ryan was gauranteed his spot on the restart so he was able to make sure that car was packed full of fuel - a luxury the rest of the cars did not have and what won him the race?!?! - the ability to stay out there, not come in for fuel or run out of it in the end. Ya know what? That's just not right. The only thing Ryan was guaranteed of was that he'd be the last car on the lead lap at the start. Every single one of the leaders had the option to come in and pit, and do the same thing as Ryan did. But they didn't do it. Of course the leaders could come into the pits, no one is arguing that, but it is not really the same... Everyone of the leaders didn't have the luxury of having their restarting position gauranteed. |
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All of the other leaders had to weigh the options of losing track position if they came into the pits, |
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and all of the other crews had the pressure of having to get their cars back on the track quickly so they wouldn't lose positions.... IOW, if other drivers took that option they would lose spots, Ryan and his team had nothing to lose. While that may be true for any car that is last on the lead lap, in the past the cars that have that position have earned their way to that by either staying on the lead lap or by racing their way back into it. Ryan's team had it handed to them. I'm not faulting Ryan or his team at all.. they played it smart and did what they needed to do. |
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43fan wrote: Ok, but what I'm saying is... any other team that wanted to play the fuel mileage game like the 12 team did, could've done exactly what they did. Sure they'd have lost track position, but was Ryan in that great of a track position? No, he wasn't in that great a track position, but he got to keep it no matter what he did... any of the other lead lap cars would have lost positions if they did the exact same thing. |
drivers would prefer to be last?
Hey, guess what, Al Sharpton, you're in last place among Democratic
presidential candidates. That means you've got the real advantage -- the
others have to worry about losing ground and you don't!
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"Julia" <privacy (AT) apremium (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Intbb.124$JM.234988 (AT) news4 (DOT) srv.hcvlny.cv.net... Hawkeye wrote: Ryan Newman - He was a lap down and he earned the spot back because he was in the right spot at the right time. He held off the strongest car besides him at the end of the race. He ran under the same rules as everyone else. Even if he had not gone a lap down the chances of the result being different are not likely. He won. Like it or not you cannot deny he is a good driver with a good car and team. I agree. I don't think anyone could argue that Ryan is capable of winning races under just about any circumstance. I just think the circumstances created by NASCAR with this particular rule are bogus... Ryan was gauranteed his spot on the restart so he was able to make sure that car was packed full of fuel - a luxury the rest of the cars did not have and what won him the race?!?! - the ability to stay out there, not come in for fuel or run out of it in the end. Ya know what? That's just not right. The only thing Ryan was guaranteed of was that he'd be the last car on the lead lap at the start. Every single one of the leaders had the option to come in and pit, and do the same thing as Ryan did. But they didn't do it. |
it is not really the same... Everyone of the leaders didn't have the luxury
of having their restarting position gauranteed. All of the other leaders
had to weigh the options of losing track position if they came into the
pits, and all of the other crews had the pressure of having to get their
cars back on the track quickly so they wouldn't lose positions.... IOW, if
other drivers took that option they would lose spots, Ryan and his team had
nothing to lose. While that may be true for any car that is last on the
lead lap, in the past the cars that have that position have earned their way
to that by either staying on the lead lap or by racing their way back into
it. Ryan's team had it handed to them. I'm not faulting Ryan or his team
at all.. they played it smart and did what they needed to do.
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...."life it seems a struggle between what we think, what we see ~ I'm not
going to change my ways just to please you or appease you"...
$1 to DMB ~ from "Seek Up"
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Ya know what? That's just not right. The only thing Ryan was guaranteed of was that he'd be the last car on the lead lap at the start. Every single one of the leaders had the option to come in and pit, and do the same thing as Ryan did. But they didn't do it. Of course the leaders could come into the pits, no one is arguing that, but it is not really the same... Everyone of the leaders didn't have the luxury of having their restarting position gauranteed. All of the other leaders had to weigh the options of losing track position if they came into the pits, and all of the other crews had the pressure of having to get their cars back on the track quickly so they wouldn't lose positions.... IOW, if other drivers took that option they would lose spots, Ryan and his team had nothing to lose. While that may be true for any car that is last on the lead lap, in the past the cars that have that position have earned their way to that by either staying on the lead lap or by racing their way back into it. Ryan's team had it handed to them. I'm not faulting Ryan or his team at all.. they played it smart and did what they needed to do. |
mileage game like the 12 team did, could've done exactly what they did.
Sure they'd have lost track position, but was Ryan in that great of a track
position? It was guaranteed, yeah, that he'd be last in line of the lead
lap cars. The rest of the lead lap cars had just as good of a guarantee...
as long as they didn't royally screw up the pit stop, they'd still be on the
lead lap, same as Ryan.
And although I can see some "truth" in the statement about it being
"handed"... to think that he would've remained down any laps if the rule
change wasn't made, IMO is wrong. His CC had him running in "conservative"
mode immediately after they went down... knowing that all he had to do was
be the first car to be a lap down to get it back. Had that not been the
case, Ryan would've raced harder to get past the leader under green and get
his lap back that way, but he didn't need to.
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-- ..."life it seems a struggle between what we think, what we see ~ I'm not going to change my ways just to please you or appease you"... $1 to DMB ~ from "Seek Up" |
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"43fan" <sleap (AT) pennswoods (DOT) net> wrote in message news  KWdnSml9dMlG-2iRTvUqw (AT) hereintown (DOT) net...: : > > Ya know what? That's just not right. The only thing Ryan was : > > guaranteed of was that he'd be the last car on the lead lap at the : > > start. Every single one of the leaders had the option to come in and : > > pit, and do the same thing as Ryan did. But they didn't do it. : : > Of course the leaders could come into the pits, no one is arguing that, : but : > it is not really the same... Everyone of the leaders didn't have the : luxury : > of having their restarting position gauranteed. All of the other leaders : > had to weigh the options of losing track position if they came into the : > pits, and all of the other crews had the pressure of having to get their : > cars back on the track quickly so they wouldn't lose positions.... IOW, if : > other drivers took that option they would lose spots, Ryan and his team : had : > nothing to lose. While that may be true for any car that is last on the : > lead lap, in the past the cars that have that position have earned their : way : > to that by either staying on the lead lap or by racing their way back into : > it. Ryan's team had it handed to them. I'm not faulting Ryan or his team : > at all.. they played it smart and did what they needed to do. : : : Ok, but what I'm saying is... any other team that wanted to play the fuel : mileage game like the 12 team did, could've done exactly what they did. : Sure they'd have lost track position, but was Ryan in that great of a track : position? It was guaranteed, yeah, that he'd be last in line of the lead : lap cars. The rest of the lead lap cars had just as good of a guarantee... : as long as they didn't royally screw up the pit stop, they'd still be on the : lead lap, same as Ryan. : : And although I can see some "truth" in the statement about it being : "handed"... to think that he would've remained down any laps if the rule : change wasn't made, IMO is wrong. His CC had him running in "conservative" : mode immediately after they went down... knowing that all he had to do was : be the first car to be a lap down to get it back. Had that not been the : case, Ryan would've raced harder to get past the leader under green and get : his lap back that way, but he didn't need to. : you know what? we'll never know... |
the fastest car on the track when he wanted to run it, is the wrong way to
think. Heck, look how he ran with Mayfield, on old tires, when Jeremy was
on fresh. And, he radioed the CC and spotter and told them he was going to
back off it a bit(after he pulled out to a good lead in front of Mayfield),
but that if the 19 started catching him too quick, let him know and he'd
pull away again.
but...we do know he was awarded his lap
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back and at maybe the most crucial moment of the race...right at the time to full 'r up for the rest of the race... what blind luck! |
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