Grubb replies to being suspended

#21

"RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote

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Did he really "fake" results, or did NASCAR just add AIDS medications to
their "banned substance" list because they found them in Tim's system and
wanted to shun him from the sport?

That's pretty much the way I recall it too.

A further thought on this. My recall is that testing came back positive. It
was left to hang in a very speculative manner that it was probably one of
the common abuse drugs. NASCAR didn't explicitly color it that way but they
sure didn't do anything to clarify the matter.

#22

"Alan Jones" <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote

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Kevin Grubb maintains his innocence
DAVID POOLE

Kevin Grubb told a Richmond newspaper he has no memory of
refusing to submit to a drug test after his crash on the second
lap of in Friday night's Busch Series, a decision that led to his
second suspension under NASCAR's substance abuse policy.

"I don't remember most of being at the track," Grubb told the
Times-Dispatch. "I had people pulling me in 20 different
directions. I ended up leaving, from what I understand."

Grubb said when he woke up Sunday he couldn't remember
what day it was and felt terrible, so he went to a hospital and
was diagnosed with a concussion. "I'm guessing that explains
me acting crazy at the track," said Grubb, who was making his
fifth Busch Series start after being reinstated from a previous
suspension under the drug policy.

Under terms of his reinstatement, Grubb agreed to be tested at
any time. Grubb said he contacted NASCAR after hearing of his
suspension to explain. He was told to contact Dr. David L. Black,
who heads up the substance-abuse program, but Grubb said his
calls had not been immediately returned.

Grubb told the newspaper he has no problem with being observed
and tested as necessary. "I've been clean the whole time," Grubb
said. "I worked very hard to get my life back to where it was. I
don't see it being thrown away in one night."

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/motorsports/15510060.htm

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Nice piece. Thanks for posting.

#23

Although Kevin Grubb told the Richmond Times-Dispatch he does
not recall being asked to submit to a drug test after his crash at
Richmond last week, a NASCAR spokesman says series officials
remain firm about his suspension.

NASCAR suspended Grubb indefinitely after he refused to submit
to a drug test. NASCAR suspended Grubb in 2004 for violating the
series' substance abuse policy. Part of his reinstatement earlier
this year was that he had to take random drug tests. Grubb told
the Times-Dispatch he was "foggy'' after his accident last week
and that he doesn't "remember most of being at the track.''

Asked if Grubb's comments might change NASCAR's stance,
spokesperson Kerry Tharp said: "NASCAR made multiple requests
for him to submit to a test and we're comfortable on our position
with that.''

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/racing/wb/82963

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#24

I do not see what a little recreational fun has to do with racing cars. A
person has to be about half nuts to do that anyhow and a little something
for the head can only help.
"Alan Jones" <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote

Quote:

Kevin Grubb maintains his innocence
DAVID POOLE

Kevin Grubb told a Richmond newspaper he has no memory of
refusing to submit to a drug test after his crash on the second
lap of in Friday night's Busch Series, a decision that led to his
second suspension under NASCAR's substance abuse policy.

"I don't remember most of being at the track," Grubb told the
Times-Dispatch. "I had people pulling me in 20 different
directions. I ended up leaving, from what I understand."

Grubb said when he woke up Sunday he couldn't remember
what day it was and felt terrible, so he went to a hospital and
was diagnosed with a concussion. "I'm guessing that explains
me acting crazy at the track," said Grubb, who was making his
fifth Busch Series start after being reinstated from a previous
suspension under the drug policy.

Under terms of his reinstatement, Grubb agreed to be tested at
any time. Grubb said he contacted NASCAR after hearing of his
suspension to explain. He was told to contact Dr. David L. Black,
who heads up the substance-abuse program, but Grubb said his
calls had not been immediately returned.

Grubb told the newspaper he has no problem with being observed
and tested as necessary. "I've been clean the whole time," Grubb
said. "I worked very hard to get my life back to where it was. I
don't see it being thrown away in one night."

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/motorsports/15510060.htm

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#25

"Alan Jones" <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote

Quote:

Grubb told
the Times-Dispatch he was "foggy'' after his accident last week
and that he doesn't "remember most of being at the track.''

Asked if Grubb's comments might change NASCAR's stance,
spokesperson Kerry Tharp said: "NASCAR made multiple requests
for him to submit to a test and we're comfortable on our position
with that.''

Makes no difference...... The girls with me at the water park when I had a
concussion last year made repeated requests to leave the place too. I
declined or was non-committal about it. I made repeated requests of them for
a locker key that was actually in my possession, not theirs. 'Have no recall
of any of it.
Despite appearances that you are interacting normally with a person
suffering concussion , they are off in the enchanted kingdom somewhere and
nothing you say to them is getting through. NASCAR should certainly have
enough access to experts and experience with similar injuries to know this.
What it boils down to is taking advantage of a person while in a state of
diminished mental capacity. If NASCAR can be comfortable with their
position - taken under these circumstances - it spotlights the moral and
ethical shortcomings of those making the decision.

#26

NASCAR should have been fair about it and tested Grubb on
Monday. Do they think he's trying to beat the results? What
serious drug would be out of a person's system after just
two or three days. Someone said ephedra is all they can think
of. Would NASCAR be this harsh on someone for taking ephedra?

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:15:28 GMT, "RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote:

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"Alan Jones" <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote in message
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Grubb told
the Times-Dispatch he was "foggy'' after his accident last week
and that he doesn't "remember most of being at the track.''

Asked if Grubb's comments might change NASCAR's stance,
spokesperson Kerry Tharp said: "NASCAR made multiple requests
for him to submit to a test and we're comfortable on our position
with that.''

Makes no difference...... The girls with me at the water park when I had a
concussion last year made repeated requests to leave the place too. I
declined or was non-committal about it. I made repeated requests of them for
a locker key that was actually in my possession, not theirs. 'Have no recall
of any of it.
Despite appearances that you are interacting normally with a person
suffering concussion , they are off in the enchanted kingdom somewhere and
nothing you say to them is getting through. NASCAR should certainly have
enough access to experts and experience with similar injuries to know this.
What it boils down to is taking advantage of a person while in a state of
diminished mental capacity. If NASCAR can be comfortable with their
position - taken under these circumstances - it spotlights the moral and
ethical shortcomings of those making the decision.

#27

"Alan Jones" <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote

Quote:

NASCAR should have been fair about it and tested Grubb on
Monday. Do they think he's trying to beat the results? What
serious drug would be out of a person's system after just
two or three days. Someone said ephedra is all they can think
of. Would NASCAR be this harsh on someone for taking ephedra?

Ephedra, low dosages of *some* amphetamines/cocaine, etc metabolize rather
quickly and would be undetectable after 72 hours in many people. Heavy usage
on a regular basis may extend that period but not by much. The THC traces
for pot use remain on tests for up to a month due to the way it binds to
tissues in the kidneys. It's a non water soluble resin that attaches to the
fatty tissues and is slow to leave the body. A hair snip test supposedly can
be accurate for 90 days to 6 months after drug usage, but is more expensive
testing.

#28

RobZip wrote:

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rather quickly and quietly. As far as I know, there isn't any family values
friendly way to contract HIV. 'Wouldn't play well alongside the family image
NASCAR wants to project, eh?

Getting HIV from blood transfusions seems to have completely slipped
your mind, eh?

N.

#29

"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

Quote:

RobZip wrote:
rather quickly and quietly. As far as I know, there isn't any family
values
friendly way to contract HIV. 'Wouldn't play well alongside the family
image
NASCAR wants to project, eh?

Getting HIV from blood transfusions seems to have completely slipped
your mind, eh?

N.

That's sound reasoning there Nancy, and you have to remember these are
NASCAR fans we're talking about. ;-) lol

But you yourself know, when you hear AIDS, blood transfusions are usually
your last thought about how it was contracted. Certainly today, with such
accurate testing methods available now that we didn't have back then. How
many years was it before there was an "AIDS" test? 3-4-5 years maybe, after
it got a label beyond the initial "Gay Plague". The initial testing was
based on some sort of Hepatitis test IIRC. Today, there is a bonafide
AIDS/HIV test, and tainted blood in the supply line is very very unlikely if
I had to guess. I know mine is screened when I donate, as is everyone's that
donates blood today.

#30

You say coke is out of the system in about 72 hours? Was it not
cocaine that Grubb was busted on the first time? We may now
have our answer as to why NASCAR is not giving him a break in
this case.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:40:37 GMT, "RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

"Alan Jones" <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote in message
news:ujtrg2le8s225rt2f8ea0b206mvgrrr3bd (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

NASCAR should have been fair about it and tested Grubb on
Monday. Do they think he's trying to beat the results? What
serious drug would be out of a person's system after just
two or three days. Someone said ephedra is all they can think
of. Would NASCAR be this harsh on someone for taking ephedra?

Ephedra, low dosages of *some* amphetamines/cocaine, etc metabolize rather
quickly and would be undetectable after 72 hours in many people. Heavy usage
on a regular basis may extend that period but not by much. The THC traces
for pot use remain on tests for up to a month due to the way it binds to
tissues in the kidneys. It's a non water soluble resin that attaches to the
fatty tissues and is slow to leave the body. A hair snip test supposedly can
be accurate for 90 days to 6 months after drug usage, but is more expensive
testing.